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Old 04-02-2007, 02:14 PM
vMario vMario is offline
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Default | NL25 | JJ against LOOSE player

Villain 37/10/1.5 over 70 hands. Turn bet is too much? Bet less to extract more $$ from him or is it too risky?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($16)
MP ($21.80)
CO ($25)
Button ($19.25)
SB ($22.55)
Hero ($66.40)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $0.75</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, MP calls $1.75, SB calls $1.25.

Flop: ($6) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4.5</font>, MP calls $4.50, SB folds.

Turn: ($15) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $10</font>, MP folds.

Final Pot: $25
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Old 04-02-2007, 02:21 PM
monkover monkover is offline
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Default Re: | NL25 | JJ against LOOSE player

I think your line here is fine. villain prob has overs and called your flop bet light hoping to spike his 2 pair on the turn. Imo you have to donk the turn and your bet sizing seems right, too. The problem if he has a hand like KQ heīs not going to call a bet anyways und you canīt risk giving villain a cheap or free card to draw out on you.
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Old 04-02-2007, 02:27 PM
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Default Re: | NL25 | JJ against LOOSE player

PF raise to $3...On turn just shove villain only has about $15 left..If he's calling $10 he's calling $15..
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Old 04-02-2007, 02:33 PM
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Default Re: | NL25 | JJ against LOOSE player

I think you have 2 options here. Either bet 10 or check, planning to check/raise, depending on how aggro your opponent is. If he's a station I like your line, but if he's an aggro donk, you can be sure he's going to bet with any 2 when checked to thinking you viffed 2 overs. Also raise to 3.5 preflop, thats pretty obvious.
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Old 04-02-2007, 02:36 PM
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Default Re: | NL25 | JJ against LOOSE player

i think checking or betting here is good either way...the bet gives away your hand imo but if hes a station i like it and if u check here u can overbet the river for a call, or get c/rrai
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Old 04-02-2007, 02:37 PM
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Default Re: | NL25 | JJ against LOOSE player

Considering he has 2 cards higher than your JJ, meaning he could have KQ, AK, AQ, Ax, Kx, Qx. He could also hold lower pockets than your but i wont consider that, since he would have probably raised you.

Consider that there are 2/3 cards higher than yours that can beat you beat you, and he might raise to bluff a K or A, what are the odds of those 3 cards appearing on the river? is it 3/46?
I never play with math but to me you can value bet a pretty small amount to make it +EV no?
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Old 04-02-2007, 02:50 PM
Shaqalicious Shaqalicious is offline
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Default Re: | NL25 | JJ against LOOSE player

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Considering he has 2 cards higher than your JJ, meaning he could have KQ, AK, AQ, Ax, Kx, Qx. He could also hold lower pockets than your but i wont consider that, since he would have probably raised you.

Consider that there are 2/3 cards higher than yours that can beat you beat you, and he might raise to bluff a K or A, what are the odds of those 3 cards appearing on the river? is it 3/46?
I never play with math but to me you can value bet a pretty small amount to make it +EV no?

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3 out of 46 are you serious? i suggest you go find a deck of cards and count how many aces, kings, and queens are in the deck before you decide to play poker, and especially before you give advice.
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Old 04-02-2007, 03:11 PM
NSchandler NSchandler is offline
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Default Re: | NL25 | JJ against LOOSE player

I think checking the turn is pretty bad. There's no reason to give a free card to 2 overcards.

Given stack sizes I don't mind a turn push.
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Old 04-02-2007, 03:15 PM
vMario vMario is offline
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Default Re: | NL25 | JJ against LOOSE player

Checking turn against passive player is SPEW! Why are you giving bad advice, instead of learning? Christ.

Raise to 3 is better, yes. To be honest, I was afraid of raising more, since I'm no good with JJ.
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