100NL QQ hero/spew play

[rakes.a.beach]

Absolute Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
5 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $97.50
CO: $178.73
Button: $272.80
SB: $71.95
Hero: $198.50

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $3</font>, SB folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $14</font>, Button calls.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($28.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $22</font>, Button calls.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($72.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets $55</font>, Hero calls.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($182.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button is all-in $181.8</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero calls all-in $107.5</font>.
Uncalled bets: $74.3 returned to Button.

Results:
Final pot: $397.5

Villian is 39/19.5/3.5 No solid reads at the time of the hand.

I called turn with the intention to call river. He insta called flop and insta bet turn after I tanked. I felt like he was trying to push me off TT-QQ. I finally decided to call river cuz a naked K makes no sense here.

This spewy or hero play?

[kindju]

I would C-bet slightly less on the flop (half pot seems ok on a dry board)
Agst an aggressive player I like calling down this hand like you did. I don't think the A improved his hand unless he has AK or a loose A8-A4-A5. If you've got a read that he's trying to move you off TT-QQ go with you read.

[rberg]

without a read, i dont assume a 40/20 will try to push me off a better pp than his in a reraised pot.
As played i'd probably fold the turn and def. the river.
If you plan on calling his turn bet, then i'd prefer a b/f, cause it gives you better idea what's going on for your river decision, what is more important with a pot this big than to squeeze value out of a smaller pp (which most people check behind on the turn anyway)

[$upermad4it]

I often dont bet the flop here. If he bets though, I'm calling and then folding to a turn bet. That way I get some value from a bluff on the flop that would fold to a cbet.

[Veron]

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I often dont bet the flop here. If he bets though, I'm calling and then folding to a turn bet. That way I get some value from a bluff on the flop that would fold to a cbet.

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Do you also check/call KK here sometimes then?

[ftavatar]

for me 50/50 lead to check with kk here. the prob i have with this pot is a naked k makes no sense as i cant see him shoving river, and its hard to put him on an ace, and even then why would he jam this as you don't like your hand. however, sets make a lot of sense here as they think/hope you have ak and 67 would be a worry from how he has played the hand (and he could call with 67 pre as you are both deep). his range is a bluff or something that crushes you. i would lay down here a lot, prob on turn tbh unless you have a specific read that he floats a lot.
how many people play a 4 stack pot here with air and what hand can he actually have called you with pre that is bluffing?
i fold turn, wait for a hand and play/ build a big pot on my terms not his.

[$upermad4it]

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Do you also check/call KK here sometimes then?


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Yeah sometimes I check/call flop, and checkraise turn with KK or AK on a board like this. Depends on villain and history of the table.

[donkmagic]

this is terrible deepstacked. dont get me wrong, itd be very bad for 100bbs but for 200 this is awful regardless of results.

[Nick Royale]

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I often dont bet the flop here. If he bets though, I'm calling and then folding to a turn bet. That way I get some value from a bluff on the flop that would fold to a cbet.

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Do you also check/call KK here sometimes then?

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I often c/c AK/KK on dry boards like this when the pot is big. No need to fear a free card and many players start throwing chips all over the place with junk hands when you show weakness.

[Nick Royale]

Wow wow wow. Calling off 200bb here is just bad. Sure, it doesn't seem like ha has a naked K and 55/44/AK/AA/KK/A5/A8/A4 might seem unlikely, but in comparision to how unlikely it is for him to float the flop and spew 200bb as a bluff when there's no possible draws it's not unlikely at all (Bayes theorem you know). Without a really great read this is first class spewing and I think you'll lose 90% of the times.

I give up on the turn. There's no way to continue oop when you're this deep.