600/1200 river - Page 3

Victor · #21 02-07-2007, 09:56 AM

"I raised utg with 66, there were a few cold calls"

"I raised UTG, 4 people cold called"

is this normal and good play or did these guys suck?

DeathDonkey · #22 02-07-2007, 11:22 AM

Lol Victor you still think high stakes games are filled with the best players in the world? These guys are there to gambooool.

-DeathDonkey

PeterPlan · #23 02-07-2007, 01:15 PM

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I would have bet quickly but now I think I'm getting checkraised or he's folding often.

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What makes you think that neverwin would try to checkraise with a monster in that spot? I think that scheids play is to bet, since I would guess that from neverwins perspective there is more value in betting right away than in trying to go for a checkraise with a better hand.

siegfriedandroy · #24 02-07-2007, 02:08 PM

wtf was nw thinking in the 22 hand? flop looks drawless (not sure of the suits) and it looks like the guy will almost surely call down. looks bad.

Justin A · #25 02-07-2007, 02:15 PM

Is it fair to assume that you cannot fold to a CR?

hoppscot22 · #26 02-07-2007, 04:46 PM

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Is it fair to assume that you cannot fold to a CR?

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that was my main fear with betting

mtgordon · #27 02-07-2007, 05:15 PM

Personally I would bet/call in this situation.

DpR · #28 02-07-2007, 06:15 PM

I have not played with NW so I do not have a read on him. If he is the type to particularly like river check rasies (not just does them when appropriate, read: occasionally) then perhaps a check is good.

Without such a read, I really think this is a bet. I think a worse hand is most likely here and the turn three bet was to maybe get you to fold an ace you were FSD'ing. Then when the spade gets there he really has to worry you got there with a pair and spade draw so he is check calling (since you are tricky and he doesnt feel comfortable bet folding river).

By no means do I think this is not close. His two pair hands are questionable matches with his preflop play (3 bet KQ or A5s right? and I do not know if he is they type to come in with K5s, Q5s type stuff). So, if I had played with him a little I think the read could easily change this to a check. But, generally speaking, I think a bet is best.

Michael Davis · #29 02-07-2007, 07:24 PM

"I just dont think good players will 3 bet an ace or KQ and then check that river."

I'm not really in the 600-1200 good player category, but this seems like a fine line to take with these hands if the plan is to checkfold the river.

-Michael

Micturition Man · #30 02-07-2007, 07:56 PM

It should be a bet. He should not be check-calling a better hand, although Neverwin can be quite a bit too passive.

He could be c-rzing but I think it's worth the risk.

Also I think given some of the craziness you described and the fact that you were a button raiser, his turn 3-bet doesn't have to mean set or straight. Could be some bdoor flush draw + pair but I don't see him c-rzing the river then.