The Official NBA Regular Season 07-08 Thread

[BobboFitos]

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[AAismyfriend]

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sigh.....wtf is up with the lakers looking so damn good thus far? I figured without Odom, they'd be pretty bad.

[tdarko]

Dude, Joe Johnson came w/ the noise again last night. I always thought he was a tough nut when he was w/ Pho, sucks for Pho he left. Atl playing tough, interesting.

[tuq]

Ugh, so much hate for Joe Johnson. May he play on a losing team forever, and enjoy being the #1 option in obscurity throughout.

At least the Suns managed to slip by Cleveland last night, and are also lucky that the Lakers game only counts as one loss.

[DukeSucks]

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bobcats win again...woohoo!!

2-0 baby

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Glad someone else here is a fan.

Let's start an ***Official*** thread [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[dkgojackets]

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bobcats win again...woohoo!!

2-0 baby

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Glad someone else here is a fan.

Let's start an ***Official*** thread [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Done.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...c=#Post12819584

[HorridSludgyBits]

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[rant] Jerry Sloan Jazz teams tilt me so bad, especially on the road, because:

1. They play not to lose, not to win. My theory is that everyone's afraid of getting in Sloan's 'dog house' if they do anything that doesn't fit into his 'system,' which includes taking a shot before 20 seconds have elapsed, taking a 3, etc.

This is particularly true if they get a lead. Everyone just holds the ball like there are 30 seconds left in the game, even if it's the 2nd quarter. They play their best when they're down 5-8 points, imo, because players are willing to take some chances and use their talent. Once they get the lead, everyone just freezes and waits for the other team to catch up.

2. He'll always play a veteran who 'knows the system' over a rookie. Look at Ronnie Brewer, who he kept buried on the bench in favor of Giricek (sp?), who can't guard anyone and is an inconsistent shooting specialist. Even Paul Milsap got limited minutes, even though he's the only interior player who can block a shot and makes very few mistakes (which you'd think Sloan would like), in favor of Jaron "the statue" Collins, a vet whose work ethic Sloan likes, but simply has no game, and would be hard-pressed to make most NBA squads.

3. He emphasizes 'toughness,' that old school philosophy of making opponents pay for driving the lane, which simply doesn't work in the post-Jordan NBA, where the game is geared to promote backcourt scorers. All Sloan's approach does is give the team a bad reputation with referees, so you get what we saw last night--Derek Fisher and Kobe driving the lane, throwing their bodies into anything they can find, drawing little or no contact, and still getting 3-point plays. Why? Because everyone knows the Jazz always foul players driving to the hole.

4. Anytime someone locally talks about finding a replacement for Sloan, everyone starts talking about how well respected he is, one of the best 5 coaches, bla bla bla.

5. Personally, I don't think he's horrible. If you want to win a bunch of regular season games, more than expected usually, he's your guy, because he has a very regimented, predictable system that teams have trouble against it pressures them to play defense for a long time, makes it hard (in theory) to get easy buckets, and challenges the opposition physically.

However, once you get to the post season, there are no more surprises, other teams don't mind getting physical with you, and they figure out your 1-dimensional system over the course of a series.

When the Jazz beat the Rockets in the 1st round last year, I think that was the 3rd time a Sloan team had beaten a higher seed (even though they had the same record) in 20 (?) post-seasons. I think that's pretty revealing, and I think that's why there will be no championships in Utah as long as Sloan is coach.

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[Assani Fisher]

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5. Personally, I don't think he's horrible. If you want to win a bunch of regular season games, more than expected usually, he's your guy, because he has a very regimented, predictable system that teams have trouble against it pressures them to play defense for a long time, makes it hard (in theory) to get easy buckets, and challenges the opposition physically.

However, once you get to the post season, there are no more surprises, other teams don't mind getting physical with you, and they figure out your 1-dimensional system over the course of a series.

When the Jazz beat the Rockets in the 1st round last year, I think that was the 3rd time a Sloan team had beaten a higher seed (even though they had the same record) in 20 (?) post-seasons. I think that's pretty revealing, and I think that's why there will be no championships in Utah as long as Sloan is coach.

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Because this interested me, I looked it up. Here is every time a Sloan coached team played a team seeded higher than his(note: I didn't count the Finals when both them and the Bulls were #1 seeds)...

80-81: Bulls beat higher seeded Knicks in the first round. They lose to the #1 seed Celtics in the 2nd round. Boston went on to win title.

90-91: Jazz beat the higher seeded Suns in first round. They lose to the #1 seed Trailblazers in 2nd round.

91-92: Lose to the #1 seed Trailblazers in the WCF.

92-93: Lost to #3 seed Seattle in first round

93-94: Beat higher seeded SA in first round. Lost to #2 seed Houston in WCF. Houston went on to win title.

95-96: Beat higher seed Spurs in 2nd round. Lost to #1 seed Seattle in WCF.

99-00: Lost to #2 seed Portland in 2nd round.

00-01: Lost in first round to Dallas.

01-02: Lost in first round to #1 seed Kings.

02-03: Lost in first round to Kings team that won 59 games.

06--07: Beat Houston in first round. Lost to eventual champs SA in WCF.



So overall they are 5-11 in series in which they are the lower seed. However, 5 of those losses were against #1 seeds and 2 of the other losses were against teams that went on to win the title. So not counting those series they were 5-4 in series against higher ranked teams. All in all, I don't think hes nearly as bad as you seem to think in this regard.

101,300 and counting

[Vyse]

The real question is how often a lower seed beats a higher seed anyway...

[Aces McGee]

This surprises me far more than it probably should, but I was stunned to hear that DeSagana Diop has never scored more than ten points in an NBA game.

-McGee