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Old 06-27-2007, 03:38 AM
CappyAA CappyAA is offline
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Default Gross QQ Flop

I felt so gross when this hand flopped. I have no reads as villain just sat down and I have no hands in history with him. Do I make a c-bet? Is c/f too weak?

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Hero (SB): $208.90
BB: $79.10
UTG: $84.05
CO: $58.95
BTN: $104.25

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $3.50</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $12.00</font>, BB folds, CO calls $8.50

Flop: ($25) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero.......


Also, if hero c-bets and villain pushes, is this an instacall due to stacks?
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Old 06-27-2007, 03:50 AM
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Default Re: Gross QQ Flop

I'm pretty sure I want to get it AI on this flop against the shortstack. Standard line is c-bet call a shove, but I think that makes it hard to get it in against most hands you beat. I think I like a C/R even though it's and odd line after 3-betting. I doubt he's good enough to realize that checking is such a weird play by his stack size. I think this is the easiest way to get him to stick his chips in.
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Old 06-27-2007, 04:26 AM
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Default Re: Gross QQ Flop

raise more preflop, I like 14 or so. if he calls then c/f flop is fine
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Old 06-27-2007, 10:25 AM
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Default Re: Gross QQ Flop

Bump for morning crew
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Old 06-27-2007, 10:34 AM
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I'm pretty sure I want to get it AI on this flop against the shortstack. Standard line is c-bet call a shove, but I think that makes it hard to get it in against most hands you beat. I think I like a C/R even though it's and odd line after 3-betting. I doubt he's good enough to realize that checking is such a weird play by his stack size. I think this is the easiest way to get him to stick his chips in.

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I agree with this thinking.

If he checks behind I make a strong bet on a non-scary turn card. Otherwise, Getting to showdown with 25 in this pot is not the end of the world.
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Old 06-27-2007, 10:36 AM
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I bet call here. Interesting hand in that CO has pretty much the most annoying stack size for your hand and the board.
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Old 06-27-2007, 10:40 AM
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I check the flop and proceed with caution. He will hardly ever bluff in this spot.
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Old 06-27-2007, 10:42 AM
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Stack size is annoying, but it is one of those spots where I agree to getting it all in v. an unknown who just sat with a short stack.

I prefer check/calling or check/raising the flop. If we're commited to this hand, give him a chance bluff.
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Old 06-27-2007, 10:42 AM
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I bet call here. Interesting hand in that CO has pretty much the most annoying stack size for your hand and the board.

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Problem with bet/call is that most things you beat fold and hands which you are behind, shove and price you in. Check/Shove, opens up a better chance of getting it in ahead.

Is my logic off here?
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Old 06-27-2007, 10:49 AM
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I bet call here. Interesting hand in that CO has pretty much the most annoying stack size for your hand and the board.

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Problem with bet/call is that most things you beat fold and hands which you are behind, shove and price you in. Check/Shove, opens up a better chance of getting it in ahead.

Is my logic off here?

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I like this logic here alot.
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