Another likely lame Ax defending story

[Michael Davis]

Button is a tough, aggressive player who is tricky and makes moves postflop about the right amount of the time. Probably the toughest player I regularly play against.

He openraises the button and I defend the BB with A5o.

The flop is Q86 rainbow.

How bad is just checking and giving up here, or is that just unacceptable?

-Michael

[HOWMANY]

This flop sucks, he wins.

[Nate tha\\\' Great]

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Button is a tough, aggressive player who is tricky and makes moves postflop about the right amount of the time. Probably the toughest player I regularly play against.

He openraises the button and I defend the BB with A5o.

The flop is Q86 rainbow.

How bad is just checking and giving up here, or is that just unacceptable?

-Michael

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If he plays real well, then I think giving up here the majority of the time on this sort of board texture is fine as part of a well-balanced metagame.

[Nate tha\\\' Great]

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This flop sucks, he wins.

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That's what I meant to say.

[gehrig]

GEHRIGS RULE OF HEADS UP POST FLOP PLAY:

if a hypothetical villain bets his entire range on every street, and check/calling down blind is even close to a break-even strategy against this, then check/folding the flop against a real villain with the same range is a bad play

[bugstud]

are we playing hu/3handed/6? imo that changes dynamics quite a bit.

[Nate tha\\\' Great]

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GEHRIGS RULE OF HEADS UP POST FLOP PLAY:

if a hypothetical villain bets his entire range on every street, and check/calling down blind is even close to a break-even strategy against this, then check/folding the flop against a real villain with the same range is a bad play

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The opponent was described as "good".

[gehrig]

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GEHRIGS RULE OF HEADS UP POST FLOP PLAY:

if a hypothetical villain bets his entire range on every street, and check/calling down blind is even close to a break-even strategy against this, then check/folding the flop against a real villain with the same range is a bad play

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The opponent was described as "good".

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a good villain will chk turn and/or river sometimes, which makes cf'ing the flop with 33% equity even worse

if ur equity on the flop = ur effective odds to call down, then c/c'ing the flop cannot be worse than a break-even play unless u fold or raise too much on later streets

[DeathDonkey]

I think I agree with gehrig, in practice I would just about always peel here but the problem is I would checkraise any pair and any straight draw, so my hand will look like exactly what it is. Not sure how to rectify this to keep shania satisfied.

-DeathDonkey

[Michael Davis]

"I think I agree with gehrig, in practice I would just about always peel here but the problem is I would checkraise any pair and any straight draw, so my hand will look like exactly what it is. Not sure how to rectify this to keep shania satisfied."

This is exactly the problem. I'm a relentless flop checkraiser. Change the 6 to a 2 and I usually c/r.

But on this board, there's like absolutely nothing he doesn't have a peel with on the flop. He's good, not some weaktight who is going to fold KJ because I'm repping a Q. He's flat out never folding the flop unless, maybe, he has the same hand as me.

And since he mixes things up and plays tricky, I'm pretty sure I'm losing mad money on turn bets and potential river follow throughs (I probably have to keep betting some of the nastiest scare cards since he might fold the bottom end of his pairs). The money I'm losing on the turn, I think, outweighs the money I'm giving up by folding the flop. This may not be true.

But the real issue as DD pointed out is the shania. I just don't have anything plausible if I c/c this flop as I probably should, and whenever I do c/c flops when I'm supposed to with ace high I find myself so peppered with turn and river bets that put me in horrific spots that I prefer to just stick with my standard c/r flop and pray for the best since it's more of a stylistic match.

Anyways, probably lame and rambling but the essential point is that if I c/c this flop I'm not representing anything except exactly what I have and I expect my opponent to play well enough on the turn and the river to give me fits and cost me money.

-Michael