A couple of JJ hands

mackthefork · #1 09-14-2007, 05:45 PM

HAND 1

Villain is 62/22/3.75 over a sample of 50 hands, he doesn't need an ace to call the flop, maybe I should have bet $3 instead I dunno.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) internettexasholdem.com

UTG ($42.85)
MP ($30.40)
CO ($34.85)
Button ($9.60)
Hero ($61.80)
BB ($25.30)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises to $2, BB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($4) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $2, BB calls $2.

Turn: ($8) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks.

River: ($8) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $2, Hero calls $2.

Final Pot: $12

HAND 2

Villian had played one hand out of the first 26 at the table, so i had him down for a rock which might have been premature, but you have to admit its more likely than him being a 60/20 lag, his turn bet makes me think he''s most likely on AA KK or AQ, dunno though I couldn't see a way of not losing a lot when behind and winning little when ahead, without giving him a lot of information for the river.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) internettexasholdem.com

BB ($43.20)
UTG ($49.25)
MP ($55.30)
CO ($49.25)
Hero ($50.65)
SB ($20.35)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, CO raises to $2, Hero calls $2, SB calls $1.75, 1 fold.

Flop: ($6.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $4, SB folds, CO calls $4.

Turn: ($14.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO bets $6, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $20.50

Regards Mack

f1sh4d1nner · #2 09-14-2007, 05:55 PM

First hand, flop bet isnt that bad but maybe 2/3 is optimal. fire again on turn, then you know where you are at, however as played he bet small on river so calling is fine but imo he bets this with k high.

Hand two, 3bet preflop, as played call turn and call a decent sized bet on river if he fires again.

ama0330 · #3 09-14-2007, 06:04 PM

Hand one, more on the flop. I may consider firing the turn. As played river's okay but I'd fold if he bet more.

Hand two 3bet it preflop, otherwise I think its okay.

mackthefork · #4 09-14-2007, 06:15 PM

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Hand one, more on the flop. I may consider firing the turn. As played river's okay but I'd fold if he bet more.

Hand two 3bet it preflop, otherwise I think its okay.

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Hi

Even against a rock and out of position?

Mack

ama0330 · #5 09-14-2007, 06:19 PM

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Hand one, more on the flop. I may consider firing the turn. As played river's okay but I'd fold if he bet more.

Hand two 3bet it preflop, otherwise I think its okay.

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Hi

Even against a rock and out of position?

Mack

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26 hands is not a sample, and still yes

BevillTheDevil · #6 09-14-2007, 06:57 PM

I think you played them both fine. Sometimes ill check behind on flop 2 and bet a safe turn (this is kinda foriegn to me though b/c i typically 3bet pf).

and about the 3bet. FWIW Ive talked to Kaz about spots like this and there is actually a post about it in SSNL where a tighter/good opponent does not have a wide callin range after being 3bet OOP so there really is no value in 3bettin hands like JJ/AQ when we have position. People that suck 3bet away cause there callin range is who knows what. IMO this makes a lot of sense and im goin to try it out and see how it works...

wslee00 · #7 09-14-2007, 06:59 PM

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Hand one, more on the flop. I may consider firing the turn. As played river's okay but I'd fold if he bet more.

Hand two 3bet it preflop, otherwise I think its okay.

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Hi

Even against a rock and out of position?

Mack

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he's the button in hand 2

kaz2107 · #8 09-14-2007, 08:52 PM

hand one i make it my normal cbet size. and then if he calls i quit on the hand. altho depending on my mood i may consider calling the river since it is just redic. lol.

hand 2 looks fine to me. i do about the same. sometimes i fire a 2 barrel if my image is bad or w/e