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Old 11-02-2007, 04:55 AM
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Default QQ in reraised pot vs unknown blah

Villain is unknown, I just sat down a few hands ago and he's folded preflop each of the 4-5 hands I've played so far.

Party Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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BTN: $303.60
SB: $391
BB: $447.15
UTG: $404.65
Hero (MP): $453.50
CO: $775.70

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $14</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $48</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls $34

Flop: ($102) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $68</font>, Hero calls $68

Turn: ($238) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $140</font>, Hero ??
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Old 11-02-2007, 05:18 AM
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Default Re: QQ in reraised pot vs unknown blah

I assume you folded and I would have too
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Old 11-02-2007, 05:24 AM
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Default Re: QQ in reraised pot vs unknown blah

Even though it may be nitty, I often just let it go against a semingly tight unknown that I have no reason to suspect 3bets lighther than TT+ AQ+.

We may be ahead more than half the time here, but being OOP I think its hard not to get stacked when behind while only winning 250 when ahead if we continue.

If I have reason to belive his 3betting range is wider, or that he will two-barrel his entire range, I am not folding.
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Old 11-02-2007, 07:25 AM
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Default Re: QQ in reraised pot vs unknown blah

fold flop.
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Old 11-02-2007, 07:27 AM
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Default Re: QQ in reraised pot vs unknown blah

I bet the flop.
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Old 11-02-2007, 07:35 AM
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Why donkbet the flop?

You are obviously not folding out anything that beats you, and I dont see how you get more value from worse hands by not letting them CB.
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Old 11-02-2007, 07:52 AM
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Default Re: QQ in reraised pot vs unknown blah

am I the only one who calls down?
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Old 11-02-2007, 07:57 AM
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Default Re: QQ in reraised pot vs unknown blah

imma take a shot at why donkbetting the flop might be a reasonable option here.
We stand to have the best hand here a lot on this board that is prime for barreling and tough to continue on in a RR pot and we are oop. I think making a play that you might say is harder to exploit (which is debatable, but a topic in itself) when you and the villain know almost nothing about each other that is in no way optimal could possibly be the most profitable play here.
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Old 11-02-2007, 08:08 AM
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Default Re: QQ in reraised pot vs unknown blah

i like the way you played this hand up until now assuming that you folded. we just dont beat enough of his 3 bet range that is double barreling this board.


how does this play out if you were the PF 3 bettor out of the blinds. he still has position on you in a 3bet pot and we have second pair with the possibility of a flush draw. would you be more inclined to bet or take the same line
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Old 11-02-2007, 08:44 AM
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Default Re: QQ in reraised pot vs unknown blah

If I understand you correctly, we donk because we are afraid he might fire two barrels with less than QQ if we CC flop. The problem is, if he is aggro enough to often fire these two barrels , isnt he usually also aggro enough to raise a suspicious donkbet with the same range?

If so, I think the argument for donking fails, but if I am missing something please let me know :-)

If we start having a lot of history where we fold medium strength hands to second barrels in spots like this, we obviusly have to adjust by 4betting pf, checkraising flop or turn etc..
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