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Old 11-30-2007, 03:44 PM
Shizzle12345 Shizzle12345 is offline
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Default 2/4 hand vs ikestoys

I dont know enough yet about this guy, but he is suposed to be spewwy at times lol. But the thing is he knows who i am, and that im not stupid (or not lol). We need little over 30% equity to make this river call.. What range do we put him on on the river here? He plays 27/22 and doesnt 3bet light alot from the blinds. My image is also in 25/20 - 30/25 range. I was pretty active on this table.

The problem is, that this river card is kinda bad to bluff on right? I think its close but im just curious.


No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $800
Hero: $603
CO: $1030.10
Button: $794
SB: $1778.35
BB: $1253.80

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $16</font>, CO folds, Button calls, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $62</font>, BB folds, Hero calls, Button folds.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($144, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $115</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($374, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($374, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $216</font>
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Old 11-30-2007, 04:14 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 hand vs ikestoys

he's putting you on roughly what you have and valuebetting that range. fold it.

also, you are amazing for racking up &gt;3500 posts since April [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img].
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Old 11-30-2007, 04:22 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 hand vs ikestoys

it obviously looks like a value bet for sure, so fold unless you guys have enough history where he could level you with a bluff here
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Old 11-30-2007, 04:26 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 hand vs ikestoys

lol yeah i guess i was right then. First i thought, omg bluff i call, when i thought better i came to same conclusion.
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Old 11-30-2007, 05:06 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 hand vs ikestoys

This is a great spot to 'block bet' the turn in order to get a free showdown. If your turn bet gets raised it is an easy fold. If you are debating calling this sized bet, then wouldn't you be better off making it and have him debate it? And coming from you in position with a street left to act, he may be more hesitant to go forward. Lastly, it would be nice win or lose, to have this hand go to showdown to give you an idea of what type of hand he is playing like this. Good for future meta and what have you.
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Old 11-30-2007, 08:43 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 hand vs ikestoys

thats my problem i sometimes just go on auto pilot and dont think about it. If i had thought about it i would folded prolly, but sometimes i want to make too big folds so wanted to check what MSNL thought of it. Good point about turn bet here.
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Old 11-30-2007, 09:12 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 hand vs ikestoys

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This is a great spot to 'block bet' the turn in order to get a free showdown. If your turn bet gets raised it is an easy fold. If you are debating calling this sized bet, then wouldn't you be better off making it and have him debate it? And coming from you in position with a street left to act, he may be more hesitant to go forward. Lastly, it would be nice win or lose, to have this hand go to showdown to give you an idea of what type of hand he is playing like this. Good for future meta and what have you.

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Hahahaha.
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Old 11-30-2007, 08:52 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 hand vs ikestoys

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it obviously looks like a value bet for sure, so fold unless you guys have enough history where he could level you with a bluff here

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i could def bluff here, i also could have missed a turn c/r
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Old 11-30-2007, 11:34 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 hand vs ikestoys

Bad riv for him to bluff because he would assume that since you're calling the flop, that you have a pair IMO (or you woulda bet the turn probably if it was a float/semibluff). Therefore, he prob puts y on something like 77, 88, or TT, and is stickin in a vbet here. I might 4bet preflop with this hand, since he could certainly be on a squeeze.
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Old 11-30-2007, 11:45 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 hand vs ikestoys

i didn't read this thread, but this is a snap [censored] call.
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