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05-16-2007, 01:25 PM
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Re: Ask \'Stars to spread Kansas City Lowball
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[ QUOTE ] As a tournament game, it plays better than everything. [/ QUOTE ] FYP. [/ QUOTE ] Well, yeah, but I don't want to oversell here. Most players here don't even know what it is. 
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05-16-2007, 01:36 PM
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Re: Ask \'Stars to spread Kansas City Lowball
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[ QUOTE ] From a programming standpoint, I think it would be easier for them to take their 7 card stud engine and implement follow the queen than it would be to take their triple draw engine and implement KCL. [/ QUOTE ] KCL is just no limit triple draw with two fewer rounds. Since they already have NL TD, there's virtually no programming effort involved. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, and follow the queen is just seven card stud with a different hand evaluator algorithm. Let's add 5 card draw where the dealer gets to frame a card before the deal!!
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#23
05-16-2007, 01:55 PM
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Re: Ask \'Stars to spread Kansas City Lowball
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] From a programming standpoint, I think it would be easier for them to take their 7 card stud engine and implement follow the queen than it would be to take their triple draw engine and implement KCL. [/ QUOTE ] KCL is just no limit triple draw with two fewer rounds. Since they already have NL TD, there's virtually no programming effort involved. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, and follow the queen is just seven card stud with a different hand evaluator algorithm. Let's add 5 card draw where the dealer gets to frame a card before the deal!! [/ QUOTE ] The only time that Binion's spread KCL as a $1500 freeze-out at the WSOP, it drew 111 entrants. The same year Triple Draw only drew 89 and Razz drew 120. The $5,000 rebuy KCL event has been drawing more and more competitors since it's been spread and is considered the toughest bracelet to win at the WSOP. You somehow keep suggeting that KCL is an "odd game", yet it's a WSOP event and it's spread in a ton of casinos, though mostly in the west. Maybe you're an east coaster, but to suggest that KCL is less popular than Razz or TD seems a bit silly to anyone that is aware of the game and how much it's played.
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#24
05-16-2007, 02:14 PM
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Re: Ask \'Stars to spread Kansas City Lowball
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] From a programming standpoint, I think it would be easier for them to take their 7 card stud engine and implement follow the queen than it would be to take their triple draw engine and implement KCL. [/ QUOTE ] KCL is just no limit triple draw with two fewer rounds. Since they already have NL TD, there's virtually no programming effort involved. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, and follow the queen is just seven card stud with a different hand evaluator algorithm. Let's add 5 card draw where the dealer gets to frame a card before the deal!! [/ QUOTE ] The only time that Binion's spread KCL as a $1500 freeze-out at the WSOP, it drew 111 entrants. The same year Triple Draw only drew 89 and Razz drew 120. The $5,000 rebuy KCL event has been drawing more and more competitors since it's been spread and is considered the toughest bracelet to win at the WSOP. You somehow keep suggeting that KCL is an "odd game", yet it's a WSOP event and it's spread in a ton of casinos, though mostly in the west. Maybe you're an east coaster, but to suggest that KCL is less popular than Razz or TD seems a bit silly to anyone that is aware of the game and how much it's played. [/ QUOTE ] Let me address your points individually: 1) The only time that Binion's spread KCL as a $1500 freeze-out at the WSOP, it drew 111 entrants. The same year Triple Draw only drew 89 and Razz drew 120. So you're saying that razz drew more entrants, and that the TD event with a ?higher? buy-in drew less. 2) The $5,000 rebuy KCL event has been drawing more and more competitors since it's been spread and is considered the toughest bracelet to win at the WSOP. Although it is drawing more and more entrants every year, I think that the field that it does draw would be the most difficult to survive through regardless of which game is being played. 3) You somehow keep suggeting that KCL is an "odd game", yet it's a WSOP event and it's spread in a ton of casinos, though mostly in the west. Is the west coast casino crowd stars primary target market? Do you think that more people are familiar with crazy wild card games or KCL? 3a) You somehow keep suggeting that KCL is an "odd game", yet it's a WSOP event and it's spread in a ton of casinos, though mostly in the west. I guess I have been suggesting that seeing as how I've only made sarcastic replies in this thread. My main concern is that fish will lose their money too quickly playing this game, and that in the current online poker environment I would prefer they dump their cash elsewhere. I don't mind if Stars adds KCL, I'd just like to see it happen in November or ideally 2008. 4) Maybe you're an east coaster Funny american comment, the world is only comprised of one continent after all.
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#25
05-16-2007, 03:13 PM
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Re: Ask \'Stars to spread Kansas City Lowball
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I guess I have been suggesting that seeing as how I've only made sarcastic replies in this thread. My main concern is that fish will lose their money too quickly playing this game, and that in the current online poker environment I would prefer they dump their cash elsewhere. I don't mind if Stars adds KCL, I'd just like to see it happen in November or ideally 2008. [/ QUOTE ] So you're also against NLHE?
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#26
05-16-2007, 03:17 PM
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So you're also against NLHE? [/ QUOTE ] Yes, and I hate the world poker tour too. Nothing good has come from either.
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#27
05-16-2007, 03:22 PM
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Re: Ask \'Stars to spread Kansas City Lowball
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4) Maybe you're an east coaster Funny american comment, the world is only comprised of one continent after all. [/ QUOTE ] Now it really makes sense. If you aren't american, you just found out about poker 5 years ago and you certainly don't know anything other than PLO or NLHE. Lowball is quintessential poker. It's been around longer than NLHE and dominated vegas prior to NLHE. KCL was one of the original five games played at the first WSOP. In 71, when it came time to decide which game would comprise the Main Event, it came down to KCL or NLHE. KCL is widely established and is never compared to wild-card stud variants except by the most ignorant.
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#28
05-16-2007, 03:28 PM
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Re: Ask \'Stars to spread Kansas City Lowball
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Now it really makes sense. If you aren't american, you just found out about poker 5 years ago and you certainly don't know anything other than PLO or NLHE. [/ QUOTE ] You're not helping yourself.
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#29
05-16-2007, 03:49 PM
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Re: Ask \'Stars to spread Kansas City Lowball
I would probably lose so much money if Stars started offering wild card games. They should start a 'Home Game' section where every table is dealer choice between like 20 different crazy games. I'd seriously go broke just fooling around there.
Also why are people in this thread so damn bitter?
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#30
05-16-2007, 09:06 PM
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Re: Ask \'Stars to spread Kansas City Lowball
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I would probably lose so much money if Stars started offering wild card games. They should start a 'Home Game' section where every table is dealer choice between like 20 different crazy games. I'd seriously go broke just fooling around there. [/ QUOTE ] The point is that KCL is nothing like a silly home game wild card game. A certain poster is trying to relegate it to that status and is very wrong. There is at least one player in the poker hall of fame because he's considered to be the best KCL player in history.
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