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#11
02-14-2007, 06:41 PM
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Re: Am I meant to fold these rivers? BB vs SB
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Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- He's probably betting his weak 1 pair (not ace or King), so do maximum extractimum = Raise, fold to 3bet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Raising the river would be horrible IMO. [/ QUOTE ] 
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#12
02-14-2007, 06:42 PM
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Re: Am I meant to fold these rivers? BB vs SB
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How small would the pot need to be for you to fold? [/ QUOTE ] This is way closer than the feedback indicates in my opinion. There are certain guys that just always have an Ace there and I can fold and sleep like a baby. Against an unknown I would call, but his hand looks a whole lot he has weak showdown value prior to the river and he shouldnt be donking that river with a small pair. That leaves him with a dreaded rivered pair of Aces very, very often.
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#13
02-14-2007, 07:06 PM
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Re: Am I meant to fold these rivers? BB vs SB
You have to call here imo simply because there are so many hands in his range that either flopped or turned a straight draw: 24s, 25s, 45, 47, 57, 78, 79, 89, 9J, 9Q, JQ. Most of these hands are probably in this guys sb openraising range. Then on top of this, he could have flopped a flush draw -- this adds a lot of combinations because he is opening most suited hands from the sb (although there are a bunch of lags who would never play a flush draw this passively so we could discount these hands against such players). It isn't like the board is 227Kr. Villain knows that his hand looks a lot like Ax to you so it is not unlikely that he will bluff at this particular river getting the attractive price of 5:1. Then there is also the remote possibility that he has something like 22 or 43s and is bluffing despite having some showdown value.
I would probably call this river getting as little as 2:1 or 3:1. Getting 6:1 its an easy call imo.
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#15
02-15-2007, 04:16 PM
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Re: Am I meant to fold these rivers? BB vs SB
i dont think that all with, but I bet that at least a decent portion of those guys would -- so I would add those hands to his range but discount them some
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#16
02-15-2007, 04:35 PM
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Re: Am I meant to fold these rivers? BB vs SB
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Well hell yes I call. I also lose. Very very often. How small would the pot need to be for you to fold? Guy. [/ QUOTE ] I almost always call this, but in this situation I think that folding getting 6:1 is damned close to correct. If I wasn't such a lazy ass that I didn't keep track of situations like this (sorry, rory), I'll bet you that calling in situations like this against players like this, I'm winning barely 10-15% of the time. I mean, blind battles between aggressive players are very showdowny, and the "bluff the river when a scarecard hits" move isn't exactly unfamiliar to us all. That said, I still call here all the the time, and probably will continue to do . . . bcs I suck! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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#17
02-15-2007, 06:09 PM
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Re: Am I meant to fold these rivers? BB vs SB
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bcs I suck! [/ QUOTE ] I bet you I suck more. I have the PT database to prove it. Guy.
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#18
02-15-2007, 06:31 PM
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Re: Am I meant to fold these rivers? BB vs SB
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[ QUOTE ] bcs I suck! [/ QUOTE ] I bet you I suck more. I have the PT database to prove it. Guy. [/ QUOTE ] Fine, you got me there . . . but I am absolutely the worst 2.5BB/100 20/40+30/60 player here, though, without question. I haven't had a session with a WTSD% less than 41% in about 100 years.
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#19
02-15-2007, 07:22 PM
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Re: Am I meant to fold these rivers? BB vs SB
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I am absolutely the worst 2.5BB/100 20/40+30/60 player here, though, without question. I haven't had a session with a WTSD% less than 41% in about 100 years. [/ QUOTE ] Awesome. In my last 50k I go to showdown 36% and win 34%. Guy.
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