Do we stack off to boats here? (NL50)

michaelantoi · #1 08-13-2007, 07:36 AM

Seat 1: CO ($60,27)
Seat 3: BTN ($9,70)
Seat 6: SB ($50,05)
Seat 8: Hero ($95,14)
Seat 10: UTG ($32,86)

SB posts small blind of $0,25
Hero posts big blind of $0,50

Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img],T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

UTG calls $0,50
CO calls $0,50
BTN calls $0,50
SB folds
Hero checks

Dealing flop T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img],2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img],J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Pot is: $2,25

Hero bets $1,50
UTG folds
CO raises to $3,00
BTN folds
Hero calls $1,50

Dealing turn 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Pot is: $8,25

Hero bets $7,00
CO calls $7,00

Dealing river 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Pot is: $22,25

Hero bets $18,00
CO raises to $36,00

Better flush or boat beats me, do we stack off here?

Villain is unknown.

Shaqalicious · #2 08-13-2007, 07:45 AM

any stats on CO? as played call the min-raise on the river, no sense in shoving.

p.s. shove flop

Ixnert · #3 08-13-2007, 09:12 AM

I think there might be some value in a shove on the river here -- random NL50 villain could have pretty much any two clubs here, and he's only got like $16 more after his minraise, he's not folding a flush. So yeah, I'm stacking off to a boat or an A-high flush here.

LOL at shoving flop though -- shove for like 8x pot with probably >50% equity? You're not actually looking for a fold here.

ArtieFish · #4 08-13-2007, 10:19 AM

50/50 on shoving river. If you tilt easy, just call, if you don't push. Kind of a wierd way to look at it but I think it's mostly 50/50 that you're beat here because his min raise means he has something that he wants to get paid off on, which you could be beating half of the time. Anyway, you need to move on from this hand and since the decision is so close either way, just choose based on what would be better for the rest of the session..just a thought.

Cam5182 · #5 08-13-2007, 10:28 AM

This is a pretty ugly situation. I put in a pot sized rr on the flop here but as played just call river expected to be beat a good percentage of the time.

Daniel LeClaire · #6 08-13-2007, 10:58 AM

Why did you lead the turn? Makes no sense to me.

What boat could he have exactly? He didn't raise preflop, so unless you know he's super passive he never has TT or JJ. No way he got to the river with 77. I can't put him on quads.

River you have the 2nd nut flush, just shove. He can have tons of suited connectors in his limping range that you are ahead of.

infinite_loop · #7 08-13-2007, 02:25 PM

It seems pretty weird to donk this turn. It seems like if you're not comfortable 3-betting the flop, you shouldn't be donking the turn because that card either means nothing or you're now dead or at most 2 outs.

With that much in the pot at that point, I don't see how you can fold the river, but a flopped set certainly plays it that way a lot.

I think you let this pot get way out of control with the turn lead. His min raise could be nothing, but say you decide to flat call. That turn hits, you check. If he pots the turn you can safely fold. But often he'll try to be uber tricky and check behind with the boat. Then you hit the flush, you make a 2/3 pot value bet and call his min raise. And with a stronger read you might even check/call or bet/fold rivers here.

jerryf1914 · #8 08-13-2007, 02:48 PM

you have to 3 bet or shove the flop. you're 50/50 at worst against anything.

Mr.o0 · #9 08-13-2007, 02:52 PM

i havenot often seen players min-raise with sets on the flop.but more often i have seen palyers min-raising the flop to get control of the hand and in the hope to get a freecard on the turnwith a draw.so i think a flush-draw is very likely.but like in all situations it depends on how u have seen him paly before.min raising on the flop with a set makes no sense to me

tarheeljks · #10 08-13-2007, 02:58 PM

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you have to 3 bet or shove the flop. you're 50/50 at worst against anything.

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shoving would be a little ridiculous