Reraised pot flop straight draw. Did i play this right?

Joepoon0 · #1 10-25-2007, 07:15 PM

Not much of a read on villain. Plays pretty straight forward. Was i correct in shoving the turn or should i have pushed flop or just let it go on flop or turn?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($46.75)
CO ($46.05)
Button ($44.05)
SB ($99.75)
BB ($50)
Hero ($70.75)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $1.75, 3 folds, SB raises to $6, 1 fold, Hero calls $4.

Flop: ($12.25) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $13, Hero calls $13.

Turn: ($38.25) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $25, Hero raises to $52 (All-In), SB calls $27.

spivey · #2 10-25-2007, 07:20 PM

Fold turn.

AshleyC · #3 10-25-2007, 07:26 PM

Shoving flop about = folding flop > calling flop IMO.

If the straight draw hits your hand is pretty much face up if you come to life on the turn.

spivey · #4 10-25-2007, 07:29 PM

In a reraised pot I'd think a lot of people at 50NL would struggle to get away from QQ+, any set on the turn.

That said, I think folding is fine. I'm not crazy about shoving as I don't think we have FE against a straightforward player who 3 bet preflop and potted a drawy flop.

Joepoon0 · #5 10-25-2007, 07:29 PM

I don't understand why folding the flop would be correct here. I can see maybe folding the turn but i would think pushing on the flop might be a little better than folding or calling. Yes or NO and Why?

Joepoon0 · #6 10-25-2007, 07:32 PM

Do you automatically put someone on QQ+ everytime wtih the way the hand played out preflop and on the flop but before the turn card?

spivey · #7 10-25-2007, 07:36 PM

A straightforward guy at 50NL, sure. 50NL was very passive when I played there. He could have good spades (KQss, AKss, AQss), and sometimes AK/AQ but I certainly wouldn't count all/most combos of them. If he's straightforward, he'll probably think you could be all over this flop.

Peleus · #8 10-25-2007, 07:37 PM

Fold turn although I wouldn't hate folding flop either.

Rollos · #9 10-25-2007, 07:39 PM

shoving this flop sucks big time. Call is good followed by a fold on the turn.

Xanta · #10 10-25-2007, 07:43 PM

Straightforward + 3bet UTG raiser + Cbet full pot when 140bb deep = Oneway ticket to valuetown. You have little to no fold equity on this flop and even less on the turn, shoving anywhere is beyond gross.

I think that folding flop > calling flop as you're almost never ahead on the flop and your outs are poorly disguised which makes your implied odds insufficient to continue.