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#32
09-21-2007, 07:05 PM
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Re: How much does someone make for being sponsored by a poker site?
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So if Hachem was signed for seven million, then how much did they sign Negreanu for? It would obviously be more unless Negreanu was unaware of the amount Hachem made. [/ QUOTE ] Negreanu hasn't just won the WSOPME, whilst people within the poker community could argue he has achieved more than JH, Joe Public doesnt know this, thus JH was/is far more marketble. Also worth considering is that nowadays, PokerStars has far less competition for its business than pre the US banning online gambling. So I would assume they are less inclined to spend big $$$ on name players to attract new business. 
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#33
09-21-2007, 07:12 PM
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Re: How much does someone make for being sponsored by a poker site?
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[ QUOTE ] So if Hachem was signed for seven million, then how much did they sign Negreanu for? It would obviously be more unless Negreanu was unaware of the amount Hachem made. [/ QUOTE ] Negreanu hasn't just won the WSOPME, whilst people within the poker community could argue he has achieved more than JH, Joe Public doesnt know this, thus JH was/is far more marketble. Also worth considering is that nowadays, PokerStars has far less competition for its business than pre the US banning online gambling. So I would assume they are less inclined to spend big $$$ on name players to attract new business. [/ QUOTE ] Negreanu may be the most marketable player in the game right now, with Ivey and Hellmuth the competition. Educated guess says Daniel gets less than Joe did for his title year but as much or more than Joe now. If I actually knew the numbers though, I wouldn't make the comment. On why Fossilman doesn't weigh in here, I don't see much incentive for him to tell people what he's making or how it compares to his colleagues.
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#34
09-21-2007, 08:01 PM
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Re: How much does someone make for being sponsored by a poker site?
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Negreanu may be the most marketable player in the game right now, with Ivey and Hellmuth the competition. Educated guess says Daniel gets less than Joe did for his title year but as much or more than Joe now. If I actually knew the numbers though, I wouldn't make the comment. On why Fossilman doesn't weigh in here, I don't see much incentive for him to tell people what he's making or how it compares to his colleagues. [/ QUOTE ] I think Phil Hellmuth has a way higher Marketing Value than Daniel Negreanu. He is probably the best known poker player around the world + he's got all the records. I also think Phil Ivey is not thát great for marketing, he might be the best cash game player in the world but for the big public this doesn't mather, WSOP and WPT are way bigger for the common public. I think somoebody like Chris Ferguson might be a lot better for marketing. I think Mike Matusow is really big also, simpley because they're recognizeble, and have more TV time.
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#35
09-21-2007, 08:25 PM
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Re: How much does someone make for being sponsored by a poker site?
You're kind of right, kind of not. Ivey stays quiet because he isn't interested in the celebrity angle. Interviewing him is like pulling teeth because he just doesn't want to be there. That said, despite his efforts, he's still amongst the five most recognizable players in the game, and amongst the poker community at large the most respected for his game (Chip Reese is the obvious alternative, but the poker world outside Vegas just doesn't know him all that well). If he wanted to, he'd be poker's biggest star.
"He could get a nine-figure deal (with Nike) right now if he wanted to commit to it." - This was said to me by an authority on such things during the 2006 series. I'd imagine the number has gone down with UIGEA. On Hellmuth, he's probably better known than Daniel but brings some baggage with him. The 'brat' image isn't exactly what corporate america is looking for as representation goes. Aside from 2+2's love-to-hate relationship with him, Daniel's well liked, well respected and well-spoken. I'd bet good money that asked to choose between Phil and Daniel, non-poker companies would take Daniel in a second. Actually, 'who is poker's most marketable player' might make for a good article.
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#37
09-21-2007, 09:47 PM
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Re: How much does someone make for being sponsored by a poker site?
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I want to know what the donks like Rainkhan make. [/ QUOTE ] Me too -- didn't Gobbo say it was 7-figures? i find that hard to believe (he might have said 6-figures...i forget)
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#38
09-21-2007, 09:53 PM
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Re: How much does someone make for being sponsored by a poker site?
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I want to know what the donks like Rainkhan make. [/ QUOTE ] Stevejpa as well as most sponsored pros make a lot less from sponsorships than they could playing poker.
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#39
09-22-2007, 12:30 AM
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Re: How much does someone make for being sponsored by a poker site?
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athletes have much more exposure, but i would guess stars makes 10-15 times as much money as nike for every person that is persuaded into choosing their brand [/ QUOTE ] I can't see any relevance to your statement above and why it means that 7 million would seem reasonable. Nike has over 16 billion in income and 7 billion in gross profit per year, you think Stars makes that much gross? Marginal revenue generated on a per custiomer basis is worthless when comparing two entirely different entities and then trying to use that measurement as a means of comparative compensation. All that being true that doesn't meant that people aren't being overpaid every day all over the world. Wouldn't surprise me if he got 7 million plus perks, just that there is no way it was a great business decision if he did. Jimbo
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#40
09-22-2007, 01:00 AM
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Re: How much does someone make for being sponsored by a poker site?
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Based on my figures and analysis, seven million is actually low vs. the return for Hachem. If you guys take a look at Pokerstar financial report from last year and the first two quarters of this year, the profits have risen ridiculously every quarter since they signed Hachem with the exception of one quarter (4th quarter 06). [/ QUOTE ] Ah, one problem here . . . since PokerStars is a privately held company and does not report financials, just how did you see this information? You would have to A) be or know an insider (say, working for PokerStars' finance department), in which case they should fire your or their ass; B) be an investor (which you obviously are not); or C) be pulling this all out of your rear. Me, I'm betting pretty strongly on C).
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