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Old 11-12-2007, 06:10 AM
K䲰䮥n K䲰䮥n is offline
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Default Why do I keep calling these? Because I should? Tell me, please

BvB, stacks 100BBs. NL100.

4 fold
Hero raises to $4 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
BB calls

Flop 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Hero bets $4
BB calls (15/12/2.6)

Turn 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero bets $12
Villain raises to $36
Hero calls hyachahyacha

River Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Villain bets $54
Hero calls
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Old 11-12-2007, 06:22 AM
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Default Re: Why do I keep calling these? Because I should? Tell me, please

Because you want to make $, right?
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Old 11-12-2007, 06:28 AM
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Default Re: Why do I keep calling these? Because I should? Tell me, please

honestly on the river you probably arent beating him ever
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Old 11-12-2007, 06:29 AM
K䲰䮥n K䲰䮥n is offline
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Default Re: Why do I keep calling these? Because I should? Tell me, please

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honestly on the river you probably arent beating him ever

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two pairs without the Q? Slowplayd AA/KK? Even missed flush draws? Then again if I might as well push the turn if I call the river...
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Old 11-12-2007, 06:31 AM
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Default Re: Why do I keep calling these? Because I should? Tell me, please

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two pairs without the Q?

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Are you saying 45 or some random pp? I doubt he even plays 45 given his stats and preflop and 45 probably doesn'y play flop/turn like this and definitely doesn't play river like this. Same goes with any other pp regarding turn/river play.

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Even missed flush draws?

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The fact that you have the only flush draw makes it even more unlikely he has one. He's pretty passive so I doubt he check raised the turn here with a flush draw after you fire two streets. I also don't really see what he can float oop that then picks up a flush draw on the turn.
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Old 11-12-2007, 06:47 AM
Wolfram Wolfram is offline
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Default Re: Why do I keep calling these? Because I should? Tell me, please

WTF, turn is obv an easy call. You are getting all the monnies if a non-pairing spade falls.

Obv, I'm not calling the river unless I hit something. The Q is probably your worst payoff card but I still pay off. Maybe you can find a fold there. We need 40% equity vs his range. It's probably pretty optimistic to assume worse Q's, counterfeited 2-pair and random bluffs to be 40%. Maybe river should be a fold?
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Old 11-12-2007, 07:01 AM
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Default Re: Why do I keep calling these? Because I should? Tell me, please

You still beat a fair amount of hands in his range... I don't think you could ever fold on the river once you called the turn
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Old 11-12-2007, 07:17 AM
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Default Re: Why do I keep calling these? Because I should? Tell me, please

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I don't think you could ever fold on the river once you called the turn

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Uhmm. Why not?

I could call this but then again I'm a station. Slowplayed AA/KK? Frustrated bluff with random crap? 99-JJ turned into a bluff? Hmm wait. Just saw his stats. I fold river (when I'm sober).
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Old 11-12-2007, 07:56 AM
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Default Re: Why do I keep calling these? Because I should? Tell me, please

I usually check the turn here partly for pot control, partly because hes pretty tight and somewhat aggressive(likely to bet river) and because i don't want to get blown off my draw.
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Old 11-12-2007, 08:57 AM
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Default Re: Why do I keep calling these? Because I should? Tell me, please

Why not C/C the turn?
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