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Old 10-24-2007, 10:26 AM
Andykay Andykay is offline
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Default Villain open shove flops in 3bet pot

No real reads on villain here, but he seems pretty bad. Snap call? Wierd spot =/

Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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UTG: $79.55
CO: $77.15
BTN: $199.60
SB: $192
Hero (BB): $393.40

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
3 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $6</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $22</font>, SB calls $16

Flop: ($44) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $170 and is All-In</font>

Results: $44 Pot ($44 Rake)
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Old 10-24-2007, 10:28 AM
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Default Re: Villain open shove flops in 3bet pot

We've had these threads before. It's a call, and a relatively snappy one at that.
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Old 10-24-2007, 10:32 AM
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Default Re: Villain open shove flops in 3bet pot

what nielsio said
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Old 10-24-2007, 10:34 AM
Andykay Andykay is offline
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Default Re: Villain open shove flops in 3bet pot

Yea, it's more of a check up than me being genuinly concerned a snap call is the wrong move.

Obviously he flopped the nuts, but it just seems like such a wierd play i'm starting to question if his range is wide enough to make it an insta-call. What is he doing this with?

-Andy
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Old 10-24-2007, 10:38 AM
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Default Re: Villain open shove flops in 3bet pot

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Yea, it's more of a check up than me being genuinly concerned a snap call is the wrong move.

Obviously he flopped the nuts, but it just seems like such a wierd play i'm starting to question if his range is wide enough to make it an insta-call. What is he doing this with?

-Andy

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tp, 2nd pair, fd, fd+pair, pair+gutter, gutter+overcard, OESD, AA, air, etc.
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Old 10-24-2007, 10:39 AM
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Default Re: Villain open shove flops in 3bet pot

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What is he doing this with?

-Andy

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Honestly, if the villain is bad I don't think there is much point trying to answer this question. What goes through the fishies heads is a mystery to me most of the time. Since they don't conform to 'traditional' logic, there's not much point in trying to assign a range in this type of spot. I mean, it could be 22.

Just snapcall and berate [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 10-24-2007, 10:40 AM
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Default Re: Villain open shove flops in 3bet pot

ive seen guys do this with QT etc, def with just spades. ez call
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Old 10-24-2007, 10:45 AM
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Default Re: Villain open shove flops in 3bet pot

easy call
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Old 10-24-2007, 10:53 AM
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Default Re: Villain open shove flops in 3bet pot

The problem is with no real reads it's hard to lay down, but his bet is large enough that laydown is the play against many players.

Preflop seems consistent with AQ, 99, 88 or JTs of hands you fear rather than AA or QQ, but who knows. Postflop, this is a huge bet, and those usually aren't bluffs. So what "real" hands can he have on this flop that you beat? TT? JJ? 77 and down? KQ?

Against a true unknown, I think I'd need more of an overlay to call.
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Old 10-24-2007, 10:55 AM
T0ne D0wn T0ne D0wn is offline
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Default Re: Villain open shove flops in 3bet pot

snap
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