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Old 11-12-2007, 07:42 PM
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i would raise the turn and my reasoning is that it feels like he's strong, and you still beat most of the hands in his "strong" range. given yet another giant bet on the river, i think his range tightens up even further to one that now has your hand beat, so i would fold.

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see, i think krantz made it soundl ike his river betting range > turn calling (or shoving) range. i also think calling gives us a good chance to look like we have two queens or two nines, where raising the turn over reps our hand in some regards. krantz def didn't say taht he had been bluff raising often or anything.

still, i have nooo problem raising hte turn, i'm just trying to say why i think it's bad in this situation with described history.

i still thin kit's fine and would do it some % of the time, maybe like half.

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Yeah, only way raising turn gets more value is since its deep and PA will make a thin semibluff 3-bet shove with a lone club + high card etc.
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Old 11-12-2007, 07:49 PM
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i would raise the turn and my reasoning is that it feels like he's strong, and you still beat most of the hands in his "strong" range. given yet another giant bet on the river, i think his range tightens up even further to one that now has your hand beat, so i would fold.

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see, i think krantz made it soundl ike his river betting range > turn calling (or shoving) range. i also think calling gives us a good chance to look like we have two queens or two nines, where raising the turn over reps our hand in some regards. krantz def didn't say taht he had been bluff raising often or anything.

still, i have nooo problem raising hte turn, i'm just trying to say why i think it's bad in this situation with described history.

i still thin kit's fine and would do it some % of the time, maybe like half.

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Yeah, only way raising turn gets more value is since its deep and PA will make a thin semibluff 3-bet shove with a lone club + high card etc.

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Or when we don't incorrectly fold to a 6 river, 4 river, [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] river, etc

Or when he calls a turn raise and folds to a river bet with a hand that isn't putting money in on the river UI, etc
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Old 11-12-2007, 08:13 PM
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that is such a big flop raise i am having trouble figuring out what it means.

i would play the same and fold here.
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Old 11-12-2007, 08:22 PM
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that is such a big flop raise i am having trouble figuring out what it means.

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What you mean big, it's <pot (assuming krantz opened to 3bb).
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Old 11-12-2007, 08:28 PM
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that is such a big flop raise i am having trouble figuring out what it means.

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What you mean big, it's <pot (assuming krantz opened to 3bb).

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its much larger than normal for HU matches. most people just go 3x or something slightly higher.
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Old 11-12-2007, 08:30 PM
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that is such a big flop raise i am having trouble figuring out what it means.

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What you mean big, it's <pot (assuming krantz opened to 3bb).

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its much larger than normal for HU matches. most people just go 3x or something slightly higher.

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is PA most ppl?

I would stay away from making a big read on him pot raising a flop...
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Old 11-12-2007, 08:34 PM
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Default Re: a hand vs PA, 200/400 HU

result?
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Old 11-12-2007, 08:35 PM
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no not yet
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Old 11-12-2007, 08:57 PM
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its over pot on flop i think.
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Old 11-12-2007, 09:11 PM
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100 less than pot. deeper stacked its probably his standard size anyways.
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