2/4 PLO HU - Second set vs. insta-pot on river

[luckyjimm]

Villain is a lady?

Need pics before I can comment

[gordo16]

There is no way I ever lay this down HU unless I have a dead-lock read. There are too many players that pot Q4 and 44 in that spot for this fold to be correct.

[Burdzthewurd]

Results: I called and she showed T735 for the nuts (had Ten-high clubs). Turns out she only bets made hands or the nuts, had to learn the hard way [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[SuperSnort]

what is this villain sn?

[sc000t]

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what's the rule? for total crap opponents, a large river insta-bet is always the nuts, but for mediocre opponents it's always a bluff

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I think it's the other way around. Moron instapot = bluff... average "thinking" player instapot = nuts

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I disagree, I don't think that a thinking player instapots this with anything. If I'm bluffing, it wouldn't be insta and it wouldn't be for pot, If I was leading a 35 (which I wouldnt even do in villians shoes...C/R FTW) I still wouldn't bet pot and it definately wouldnt be a quick bet.

[iggymcfly]

It's the absolute noobs who have no idea what they're doing who are always bluffing when they instapot. The intermediate types who are kinda bad always have the nuts when they instapot. An actual thinking player rarely instapots either way, but could have either a bluff or a real hand when they do.

From the read given, villain's likely to fit in category 2, as the mere fact that she's playing 3 tables makes her unlikely to fit in category 1, and the fact that she hasn't shown a bluff makes it unlikely she'd try to steal on such an obscure draw, so it probably should be a fold, but it's really close. The fact that this draw's so hard to hit in the first place means that you need a pretty solid read to fold. If you're not confident in your read you should call just because of the pot odds offered. (Yes, I know these are the worst pot odds you can get in PLO, but you still have to call sometimes when you think you're probably beat getting 2:1.)

[GaZaZaZa]

i dont think anyone in the world can really fold this here unless as was said early... MEGA rock, playing with KGB's money which had to be repayed last week...this is an underset at least 66% of the time.. not to mention the chance of a bluff...even though you have a sick feeling that your beat which is unavoidable... i still dont see myself ever laying this down... just donk off, say well played and proceed to getting your money back with interest against this guy/girl

[Rob121]

for those who say snap call what is the worst you call with here? are queens and jacks good enough?

[KexChoklad123]

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I`m calling because of the 2 blockers.
One time!

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Q is never a blocker since QQxx would never play like this. I read the results but Im still calling this. I mean we only lose to one hand which is a flush draw that picked up the nuts, I call and make a note whatever hand she shows up with

[KakiTee]

snapcall, i think she shows up with 66 alot here also.