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Old 10-26-2007, 05:37 PM
curious123 curious123 is offline
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Default Re: Villain open shove flops in 3bet pot

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Board: 7s 8h Qs
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.767% 40.16% 00.61% 31008 472.50 { QQ+, 99-88, AsKs, AsJs, AsTs, As8s, As7s, As6s, As5s, As4s, As3s, As2s, JTs, Q8o+, JTo }
Hand 1: 59.233% 58.62% 00.61% 45267 472.50 { KcKh }

$386*.59 = $226 - $170 to call = $56.

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this is a snap call, but bilbo your stoved range has the wrong board. regardless it's still a call.

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Lol, yeah, our equity is even better:

Board: 8h 9s Qs
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 68.441% 67.79% 00.65% 48990 472.50 { QQ+, 99-88, AsKs, AsJs, AsTs, As8s, As7s, As6s, As5s, As4s, As3s, As2s, JTs, Q8o+, JTo }
Hand 1: 31.559% 30.90% 00.65% 22335 472.50 { KcKh }

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Old 10-26-2007, 06:01 PM
MaltbyStu MaltbyStu is offline
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Default Re: Villain open shove flops in 3bet pot

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this is a snap call, but bilbo your stoved range has the wrong board. regardless it's still a call.

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Lol, yeah, our equity is even better:

Board: 8h 9s Qs
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 68.441% 67.79% 00.65% 48990 472.50 { QQ+, 99-88, AsKs, AsJs, AsTs, As8s, As7s, As6s, As5s, As4s, As3s, As2s, JTs, Q8o+, JTo }
Hand 1: 31.559% 30.90% 00.65% 22335 472.50 { KcKh }


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Would someone mind explaining why our equity is better here?

I get 384 *0.32 =122 -170 = -47 ??

Also, twOplease, with this equity, why do you still advocate a call?
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Old 10-26-2007, 06:15 PM
bilbo-san bilbo-san is offline
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Default Re: Villain open shove flops in 3bet pot

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this is a snap call, but bilbo your stoved range has the wrong board. regardless it's still a call.

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Lol, yeah, our equity is even better:

Board: 8h 9s Qs
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 68.441% 67.79% 00.65% 48990 472.50 { QQ+, 99-88, AsKs, AsJs, AsTs, As8s, As7s, As6s, As5s, As4s, As3s, As2s, JTs, Q8o+, JTo }
Hand 1: 31.559% 30.90% 00.65% 22335 472.50 { KcKh }


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Would someone mind explaining why our equity is better here?

I get 384 *0.32 =122 -170 = -47 ??

Also, twOplease, with this equity, why do you still advocate a call?

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It's true our equity is worse vs that range, but his range is wider.

For one, he'll do this with any flush draw if he'll do it with Axs. He'll probably also do it with any pair + gutter combos like T9, T8, J9. Probably any OESD as well.

And I didn't include TT or JJ, which are also pair+gutter hands.
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Old 10-26-2007, 06:18 PM
ASPoker8 ASPoker8 is offline
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Default Re: Villain open shove flops in 3bet pot

omg people are so bad at this game

LOL

call, not remotely close
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Old 10-27-2007, 05:06 AM
74o_Clownsuit 74o_Clownsuit is offline
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Default Re: Villain open shove flops in 3bet pot

I think some players here just remember the few random times some drooler showed a set or two pair and they instantly think
"zomg overpairs bad I fold save money goot" and never want to get the money in again in these kinda of spots. I know, I used to be like that too. Thinking in terms of ranges helped me to accept a key concept: although they will show the better part of their range sometimes in spots like this and you cry, in the long term getting it in is still the right move.
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Old 10-27-2007, 11:10 AM
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Default Re: Villain open shove flops in 3bet pot

Here's a hand from today's session. Without a read on a player, I'm of the snapcall variety for stacks of 100bb, larger than that and I'll consider folding hands like the one OP had. I just think these calls are largely read dependent. I have been known to make plays like the one villain made in the OP sporadically, but I have to have a real strong read that my opponent will call with an overpair and I'm much more likely to do it with a set than the straight.

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($136.45)
CO ($50.75)
Button ($98.50)
SB ($172.85)
BB ($68.40)
Hero ($94.35)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls $4, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $3.

Flop: ($12.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $64.4 (All-In)</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $90.35</font>, Button calls $90.35.

Turn: ($205.70) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: ($205.70) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $257.60

Villain had A9 here.
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Old 10-27-2007, 11:24 AM
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Default Re: Villain open shove flops in 3bet pot

Results op?
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