QJo in the SB. I was told this was terrible, but...

[Leviathan101]

Man I hate cake poker. I can't find a converter for it.

I got moved to this table like 7 hands ago. Villian won a pot by raising preflop to 3xbb from EP but that's all I know.

Blinds are 200/400 ante 25, and if it matter there were 38 players left with top 20 itm.

Hand #1270865222000502: Tournament Table 8
Seat 3: PASKKAL (7505.00 in chips)
Seat 4: Mookie1079 (3086.00 in chips)
Seat 5: Ajax! (9515.00 in chips)
Seat 6: tbui127 (3730.00 in chips)
Seat 7: Leviathan101 (9167.00 in chips)
Seat 8: OvertEnemy (10221.00 in chips)
Seat 9: styfur (4021.00 in chips)
Seat 10: Dyson Sphere (8755.00 in chips)
PASKKAL posts ante of $25
Mookie1079 posts ante of $25
Ajax! posts ante of $25
tbui127 posts ante of $25
Leviathan101 posts ante of $25
OvertEnemy posts ante of $25
styfur posts ante of $25
Dyson Sphere posts ante of $25
Leviathan101: posts small blind $200
OvertEnemy: posts big blind $400
Dealt to Leviathan101 [ Qh Js ]
styfur: folds
Dyson Sphere: folds
PASKKAL: folds
Mookie1079: folds
Ajax!: raises to $800
tbui127: folds
Leviathan101: calls
OvertEnemy: folds
*** FLOP *** [ 7d, 5d, Jc. ]
Leviathan101: checks
Ajax!: bets $2,200
Leviathan101: is all in

My friend watching me said this was terrible, so I wanted to see opinions from 2+2 after I finished the tournament.

What do you think the optimal way to play this is?

[chrismystero]

Standard.

[mwalsh2020]

you ran into aces

[postoakpoker]

I just taught my mom to play poker last weekend. She happened to read the post and suggested folding "before the first three cards"

[Leviathan101]

Lol, I can't tell what's a serious response here.

[IceMuncher]

I'd lead this flop.

[Leviathan101]

Can I get an explanation of the one sentence answers I'm getting? I don't know the reasoning behind what you're doing.

[levAA]

I think you have to fold this one preflop.

QJo is a very speculative hand, which you want to play with a good stack in position and not with M=10 in the SB.

With your few reads on villain his mini-raise preflop can mean anything, but with this flop there are def. a lot of possible holdings that can beat your QJ.

On the flop you have a very difficult decision, and that is your first leak - that you even came to this point where you have to make that difficult decision.

From the 3 possibilities I think calling is worst, cause this is passive and commits you to the pot with an uncertain hand.
Raising is bad too, cause it commits you even more and even with a push villain has better odds than 1:2 to call.
Which leaves us possibility 3 - folding, which I think is best here.

Basically I think leading this flop is much better as your decision if you get raised gets easier.

[1plus1equals3]

I think you have to fold preflop mainly because of the situation you are in now. You're not deep enough to call with speculative hands. As played I call the shove and hope I hold vs. his overs or 88-1010/

[Leviathan101]

[ QUOTE ]
I think you have to fold this one preflop.

QJo is a very speculative hand, which you want to play with a good stack in position and not with M=10 in the SB.

With your few reads on villain his mini-raise preflop can mean anything, but with this flop there are def. a lot of possible holdings that can beat your QJ.

On the flop you have a very difficult decision, and that is your first leak - that you even came to this point where you have to make that difficult decision.

From the 3 possibilities I think calling is worst, cause this is passive and commits you to the pot with an uncertain hand.
Raising is bad too, cause it commits you even more and even with a push villain has better odds than 1:2 to call.
Which leaves us possibility 3 - folding, which I think is best here.

Basically I think leading this flop is much better as your decision if you get raised gets easier.

[/ QUOTE ]

Thanks a lot for the response.
I don't have a lot of experience in tournaments and this was very useful.
If you lead the flop, are you folding to a shove? If not, isn't it better to c/r and snap a c-bet/get his whole stack in with a worse hand, in addition to stacking off better hands either way? And if you fold, doesn't that mean you just basically just die to aggresion?

I think I see the issue with calling preflop now.