25NL an experiment with table image. (2 hands)

[RapidEvolution]

Hand 1 is the setup. I fold this with no problem usually, but given the 3-1 odds and the chance to play with table image, I call.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG+1 ($9.80)
MP1 ($24.40)
MP2 ($15)
CO ($23.65)
Button ($23.30)
SB ($23.75)
Hero ($29.50)
UTG ($34.50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. MP2 posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, UTG calls $1.50, MP2 calls $1.50, SB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($7) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4.5</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $13.25</font>, SB folds, Hero calls $8.75.

Turn: ($33.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: ($33.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $33.50

I know the "right" play is to fold on the flop, but is there good value in creating a maniac image?

Immediately after this hand is this one.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($24.40)
UTG+1 ($31.85)
MP1 ($23.65)
MP2 ($22.55)
CO ($23.75)
Hero ($24.90)
SB ($14.75)
BB ($32)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $1, MP1 calls $1.

Flop: ($3.85) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero?

My question is, if I shove here (given the previous hand) how good is my equity against hands that call me? Can I expect to see things like KQ, QJ, JJ, TT, 99 here or is this only getting called by better? I look forward to hearing your thoughts!

[Berge20]

2 Hands does not a table image make

Especially when they aren't even the same

[CalledDownLight]

shoving the second hand would be so so bad. Getting it in isn't necessarily bad, but do it in chunks.

[RapidEvolution]

Berge, I agree here, but if I see something that looks crazy and then the very next hand I see something similar, it's going to affect my play. I'd like to think that even the dullest person can remember what happened the hand before (especially if it went to SD and I lost to A2)

Called down. Agreed. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] To continue what actually happened...

BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $2.50, BB calls $2.50 MP1 raises to $6.50.

I'm playing my usual game, this is an easy fold. Same case here? How much should I be adjusting?

[bottomset]

people don't pay enough attention at nl25 to make crazy plays a smart idea

[Chargers In 07]

The first hand is terrible regardless of pot odds. Three others saw the flop with you, somebody has an ace. There are other ways to create an image without making terribly -ev plays...did you muck when you lost? Cuz not everybody's going to see your hand.

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Can I expect to see things like KQ, QJ, JJ, TT, 99 here or is this only getting called by better?

[/ QUOTE ] you will see better quite often and there is more value in bet/bet/bet than open shove.

[RapidEvolution]

Chargers, I made sure to show as I doubted that anyone would really go out of their way to look.

Bottomset: At what limits should I start thinking about things like this?

[chopsticks]

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people don't pay enough attention at nl25 to make crazy plays a smart idea

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[Semtex]

lol at table image at 25NL

[CalledDownLight]

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Bottomset: At what limits should I start thinking about things like this?

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Never if your talking about the flop shove. If you're talking about table image in general then NL50 when its not peak hours (ie. a few people at your table that you will play with semi-regularly).