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#181
07-27-2007, 04:12 PM
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Re: playing against ratholers
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I call ratholers light because I love sucking out on them [/ QUOTE ] 
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#183
07-27-2007, 04:48 PM
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Re: playing against ratholers
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[ QUOTE ] its not a campaign. i do think its in all of our best interests that people dont play like complete dogshit versus the shortstackers. shorties at my table means i have to alter my game plan and i really dont want to do that. [/ QUOTE ] i understand your thinking, and in a perfect world if all the big stacks listened to you it might help the situation, but in reality you're just doing yourself a disservice because not enough people will adjust to make shortstacking significantly less profitable, but some will stop playing as bad as they are and it will cost you some EV as well as the shortstacks. [/ QUOTE ] pete, are u saying u are making as much now as u did during ur pinkprincess days back when people did like 10 times as many retarded moves as they do today?
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#184
07-27-2007, 05:13 PM
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Re: playing against ratholers
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pete, are u saying u are making as much now as u did during ur pinkprincess days back when people did like 10 times as many retarded moves as they do today? [/ QUOTE ] ive made more per hour shortstacking this year than last year playing less tables, but i'm playing 25/50 mostly and in the pinkprincess days it was 10/20. but when i first started, before everyone started hopping the bandwagon, yes, it was much easier. in general the tags arent as retarded as they used to be. i think that's because they've now realized that there actually are winning shortstackers and there's no point in just giving money away. back then you could step into a game and just wait for hands and shove for value and make a pile of money. now, if you haven't done the math (and there's a LOT of math to do), you'll be a very marginal winner at best at 3/6+. you can't just wait for big hands. you have to consider your opponents' ranges and your fold equity and resteal a bunch and if you haven't done the calculations they'll just run you over. that's why the nitty/bad shortstacks like fatalerror who used to be "good" aren't really making any money anymore. basically, if you're not already doing it, it's not worth the effort to learn to shortstack effectively anymore unless you really like doing boring math. it's better just to learn full stack, which is useful in the juicy live games as well, not to mention tournaments.
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#185
07-27-2007, 05:16 PM
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Re: playing against ratholers
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $20 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)
saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font> UTG ($1970) MP ($2526) CO ($788.90) <font color="#C00000">Hero ($4880.90)</font> <font color="#C00000">SB ($370)</font> BB ($2278) Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $80</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $140</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $60. Flop: ($300) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets $230 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls $230. Turn: ($0) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font> River: ($0) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font> Final Pot: $760 Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> SB has 7h 9d (high card, king). Hero has Qd 5d (high card, king). Outcome: Hero wins $760. </font> further proof that not all shortstacks are good
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#186
07-27-2007, 05:25 PM
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Re: playing against ratholers
seems like nobody really has a clue here, probably why games are so good.
and lmao : [ QUOTE ] Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, 5. 3 folds, Hero raises to $80, SB raises to $140, 1 fold, Hero calls $60. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] further proof that not all shortstacks are good [/ QUOTE ] seems like they have good game selection though
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#188
07-27-2007, 05:28 PM
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Re: playing against ratholers
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seems like nobody really has a clue here, probably why games are so good. and lmao : [ QUOTE ] Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, 5. 3 folds, Hero raises to $80, SB raises to $140, 1 fold, Hero calls $60. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] further proof that not all shortstacks are good [/ QUOTE ] seems like they have good game selection though [/ QUOTE ] comprehension ftw oh, and yes [ QUOTE ] lapoker summed up my thoughts on this issue perfectly. [/ QUOTE ]
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