I REALLY don't like folding...especially sets.

[NSM]

Set over set sucks but this is the type of action you want with a set. You're not behind to a flush or straight so you have to get it on without a very specific read on your opponent. I don't think it's right to just conform a big hand that you beat to the board (ie, T8, that doens't add up with his preflop raise). I think the hands that you beat are much more likely QQ-AA, especially AA or KK as your opponent is right to start pressing the issue here with his overpairs. I wouldn't be shocked to see him turn over TT or 88 but you may very well be crushing suited AT, AA, KK, QQ, and a float with a suited AK as well as some other randomness. Take your medicine.

[Briman51]

I can see that nobody wants to fold this set (and I don't think I would either - because I play at $25NL and people play so bad there that this could even be a misplayed AT) but no one has given any sounds justification of it, any solid reasons for the fold guys?

[Dr_Doctr]

Yup I guess my range attribution sucked for this hand. Shove for reasons NSM stated.

[Briman51]

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Set over set sucks but this is the type of action you want with a set. You're not behind to a flush or straight so you have to get it on without a very specific read on your opponent. I don't think it's right to just conform a big hand that you beat to the board (ie, T8, that doens't add up with his preflop raise). I think the hands that you beat are much more likely QQ-AA, especially AA or KK as your opponent is right to start pressing the issue here with his overpairs. I wouldn't be shocked to see him turn over TT or 88 but you may very well be crushing suited AT, AA, KK, QQ, and a float with a suited AK as well as some other randomness. Take your medicine.

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I can see what you mean. I guess this is either him playing a little funny or set over set. I think that you can exclude the ATs part of the range as there was no flush draw on the flop, so his call would be terrible with one man behind.

One other thing is that I disagree with is that you want action against your set. While that may be true generally I don't think it is on this board, against this opponent - because the action you're getting signals that you're beat. You want action with a set in this scnario against an AK2r board and other boards which justify action. Any thought?

[pineapple888]

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I can see that nobody wants to fold this set (and I don't think I would either - because I play at $25NL and people play so bad there that this could even be a misplayed AT) but no one has given any sounds justification of it, any solid reasons for the fold guys?

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What NSM said. People do random stuff. You need a much better read to even think about getting away here.

[spivey]

Shove, but I imagine it's a lot closer than many here are making it out to be.

[ikestoys]

good, we havent had this thread yet today

[pineapple888]

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Shove, but I imagine it's a lot closer than many here are making it out to be.

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It's not a lock. But it's not really close either.

[Briman51]

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What NSM said. People do random stuff. You need a much better read to even think about getting away here.

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Yeah, I agree - I didn't look at how small the sample size of hands were.

[spivey]

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good, we havent had this thread yet today

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Come on, this guy's a nit. Sets are a huge part of his range, what makes this a call IMO is that we can put JJ and some QQ combos in his range.