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[partypoker123]

hi another stupid question by me. im curious to what u guys have for BB/100 hands for different levels. also how many hands do full time players see a month? over 100k hands a month too many? is that dropping my BB/100 hand stats? any info on whats attainable or substainable will appreciated

[bbartlog]

I still don't have enough hands for the BB/100 to be stable at a given level (80K hands but no more than 25K at any given level). Overall 2BB/100, 2BB/100 at 0.25, -0.5BB/100 at 0.50, 8BB/100 at $1 ([img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]), loser at $2, winner at $4 (over only a few hands at those levels...). The 0.25 winrate is shameful; I used to beat that game at 11BB/100 (for like the first 15K hands I played it) and then ran like ice for 10K hands.
I don't know about hands per month. It's taken me a year to play 80K hands, but I never play more than 3 tables, and only a few hours in a day. Davebreal has shown some graphs that show 80K hands in a month, but he multitables a lot.
As for attainable winrate, I have no idea - but I would assume that there is an inverse relationship between number of hands played and winrate, for various reasons. I do think a strong player could clear 10BB/100 at the $0.25 game or 6BB/100 at the $1 game, but for higher limits I have no idea. My winrate is certainly not representative of what's possible; I'd guess I'm only around the 85-90th percentile (skillwise) of cash game players at the levels I usually play.

[Truthiness24]

That's actually quite encouraging -- my rates are about the same except way positive at 25 cent and negative at $1 ... but I don't play many hands, so this might be an anomaly.

I show +6BB/100 over 40k hands at all levels, but those numbers are skewed by outrageous wins at the lowest of levels. From what I have seen here, 2BB/100 seems sustainable by the best players, and the game can only be made truly and permanently profitable by a generous rakeback or rebate deal.

I wasn't sure where I stand. This information is encouraging & helpful.

[TheStation]

I think 5-10 PTBB/100 (maybe more) would be attainable by the best players. I dont have my old database but was just looking at my Aug 1 - current date stuff and dont have more than 25k hands on anyone at one limit to really see some good numbers.

I know that last year I was between 5-8 PTBB/100 for the main 4 limits of 1/2 and 2/4 PLO8 and NLO8, that was a sample size of 60,000 hands and I dont consider myself one of the best so I am thinking some could do much better.

Maybe Dave will comment on his long run results as he plays a pretty high number of hands each month.

[MattS]

FWIW, here are my stats. It took me about a year to play these hands:



I want to try out the 1/2 level. Which winrate should I expect at that level and how much better will the average player be there?

[MegaDisgruntled]

If you continue to have a 34 vp and only a 51.67 won at showdown percentage, you will have your butt handed to you.

Mega

[niss]

8.79 BB/100 in 28,000 hands on Bodog since May, when PT started tracking Bodog.

I'd have to dig out my stats on Party and other sites, but if I recall correctly the BB/100 was around 6 in something like 70,000 hands.

[Kuso]

1) you have to put parameters on the discussion such as fr, sh, hu, etc. ditto with how often you'll sit in marginal ev situations in order to start a game that will end up very much +ev.

2) (to MattS) the nature of the game changes from 200+ imho. if you can adapt, i think you can make similar numbers. if you do, you'll be one of the better players in the game (5-10 seems "good" as thestation said).

3) for those earning one or two ptbbs per 100 at lower levels, i'd adjust my game before i'd move up... or at least understand why your earn is so low. fwiw, a lot of higher stakes players don't do well when they're forced to play lower (for whatever reason). the hardest thing i ever did was play a mix of 100 and 200 plo8 games -- the styles required to play well were quite different.

4) be careful about referring to dave's stats. he plays A LOT of sh poker. he plays (sometimes) A LOT of tables. he pushes A LOT of marginal hands. i don't know the gross details of dave's stats, but i guess he sacrifices some quality of his game selection and game strategy (and therefore bb/100) in order to increase his hourly earn (esp. if you include rakeback). if he played four tables and could maintain focus, i think his bb/100 would be much higher (just a guess).

[MattS]

What is wrong with my VP$IP? I play a lot of 6max. And as for W$SD, unfortunately this number does not distinguish between several pot sizes. I just hope I am winning the big ones and losing only the small ones [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[Mendacious]

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What is wrong with my VP$IP? I play a lot of 6max. And as for W$SD, unfortunately this number does not distinguish between several pot sizes. I just hope I am winning the big ones and losing only the small ones [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Nothing is wrong with your VPIP, it is the W$SD that didn't look so hot. But Mega was being a troll.