Special Thread For Chen-Ankenman Mathematics of Poker

[Poker Gestalt]

I want this book so bad

[gull]

I want the third edition of this book bad.

[MFM00]

Errata update?

Is there one? The page on Conjelco's web site has not been updated since 6 December 2006 and has no errata past page 77.

http://www.conjelco.com/mathofpoker/...ker-errata.pdf

[jogsxyz]

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Anyway, the jam or fold table isn't a good strategy when the stacks are deep! We play jam or fold when the stacks are 10-11 blinds or less. Other than that, raise smaller amounts. Stacks above that size are included for completeness but not as a recommendation for actual play.

In multiway play where it's folded around to the small blind and the stacks are appropriate, I generally do play jam or fold in cash games. In tournaments you might want to be a little looser to jam and a tighter to call because of the "chicken" effect.

jerrod

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The book says preflop even 32o has 0.323 equity against a random hand. What about postflop play? On the flop and turn often it's not at all obvious what one's equity is. When stacks are less than three times the pot, would it be right for the attacker to play jam or check? Then would calls by the defender would be based solely on current linear hand strength? If yes, would jam or check tables be forthcoming?

[jogsxyz]

Chapter 19

Example 19.1

Shouldn't the bottom row of the matrix include
Y winning the pot P?

Y2(value)____+P_____+P+1_____+P+2

This would change the results of the
indifference between X1 and X2.

**don't know how to do subscripts on this site.

Reconstruct the matrix with X payoffs.
X2 wins P + 2 whenever Y2(bluffs) and
X2 loses -2 whenever Y2(value).

Example 19.2

Y2(value)______+1______+1+s1____+1+s1+s2

[Jerrod Ankenman]

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Anyway, the jam or fold table isn't a good strategy when the stacks are deep! We play jam or fold when the stacks are 10-11 blinds or less. Other than that, raise smaller amounts. Stacks above that size are included for completeness but not as a recommendation for actual play.

In multiway play where it's folded around to the small blind and the stacks are appropriate, I generally do play jam or fold in cash games. In tournaments you might want to be a little looser to jam and a tighter to call because of the "chicken" effect.

jerrod

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The book says preflop even 32o has 0.323 equity against a random hand. What about postflop play? On the flop and turn often it's not at all obvious what one's equity is. When stacks are less than three times the pot, would it be right for the attacker to play jam or check? Then would calls by the defender would be based solely on current linear hand strength? If yes, would jam or check tables be forthcoming?

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If you allow postflop play, problems of this type become much more complex and intractable to simple methods such as the ones used to solve jam or fold.

jerrod

[Jerrod Ankenman]

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Chapter 19

Example 19.1

Shouldn't the bottom row of the matrix include
Y winning the pot P?

Y2(value)____+P_____+P+1_____+P+2

This would change the results of the
indifference between X1 and X2.

**don't know how to do subscripts on this site.

Reconstruct the matrix with X payoffs.
X2 wins P + 2 whenever Y2(bluffs) and
X2 loses -2 whenever Y2(value).

Example 19.2

Y2(value)______+1______+1+s1____+1+s1+s2

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These are ex-showdown values, so the "P" in the pot only shows up when someone with the worst hand bluffs out someone with the best hand. It doesn't matter however; it doesn't change the indifference equations, as all it does is introduce a factor of Py2 into both sides of the equation, which just falls out. Same thing with the other example and the "1+" part...

jerrod

[jogsxyz]

jerrod,

thanx, couldn't read my own garbled scribblings.

jogs

[deadfromsuckouts]

open ended straight draws do not work-the math is wrong-i can prove it

[leaponthis]

O.K Mr Sklansky, as you know, I trust your judgement as well as your co-authors at 2 + 2. I am about to complete my order of this Mathematics of Poker on Amazon.com. Before I do I want to know what value this book has to someone like me, a mid limit and low stakes no limit competent player. If you do not provide me with what I consider a suitable answer I will not complete my order. Have a nice day.

leaponthis