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Old 08-27-2007, 03:41 AM
kmar1085 kmar1085 is offline
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Default Top set raised pot

Villian is 79/22/1.3/68... Whats your best action here? Against a solid player I think its a clear fold, but this is quite a whale here. Anyone Pot this flop?


Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $228.95
UTG+1: $71.15
CO: $164.70
HERO: $100
SB: $273.30
BB: $121.30

Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, CO folds, <font color="#cc0000">HERO raises to $4.5</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($18, 4 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB bets $18</font>, UTG+1 folds, HERO calls, SB folds.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($54, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $27</font>, <font color="#cc0000">HERO?
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Old 08-27-2007, 04:04 AM
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Default Re: Top set raised pot

kmar1085 - It's a straight odds problem.

Costs you one third of the pot to call so that you're getting 3 to 1 direct pot odds.

Odds against you making your draw are 3.4 to 1.

Looks to me as though Villain is pricing the cost to you so that the odds are slightly against you, in case you are drawing for the board to pair. And possibly Villain is consciously doing that, planning to fold if the board pairs. If so, you have no implied pot odds and thus the odds are slightly not in your favor. If so, Villain is a clever, calculating opponent, hoping that you will possibly getting paid off when the board pairs plan on getting implied pot odds (which will not be forthcoming) and make the odds mistake of calling.

Now the question is, "Is Villain that clever?" I don't have the answer. Since I don't know, I think Hero should fold here, having the odds slightly against him.

In a limit game, Villain should have to pay you off if the board paired (because you could be chasing with a non-nut flush). But if this Villain is playing you with the nut flush and correctly putting you on cards, you're in trouble.

Fold.

Buzz
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Old 08-27-2007, 04:43 AM
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I would never fold there.

Your opponent could have: a str8 which you are freerolling against and you could make fold, a flush and is giving you fine odds cuz he's not folding when the board pairs on the river or will give you a free showdown on the river, a lower set which you have crushed, a better straight same as flush.
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Old 08-27-2007, 05:20 AM
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It's a straight odds problem.

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Old 08-27-2007, 05:37 AM
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call and gamboll!
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Old 08-27-2007, 08:54 AM
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call, against other players fold.
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Old 08-27-2007, 09:31 AM
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yes call all day vs. this villain
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Old 08-27-2007, 11:17 AM
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Call against this guy because he's not folding if the board pairs. Throw mouse and anything else within arms reach when the river is the Jc and you get it in, but lose to Jh9hXX.
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Old 08-27-2007, 08:40 PM
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I'd be tempted to semi-bluff here, representing the nut flush.. your whale could just as well be holding a lone straight, or a bad flush.. it would fit your flat call on the flop perfect also, and from villains flop and turn bet, I think he's holding a foldable hand (but, I don't know **** about his betting patterns tho).. I would shove(with a read)...
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