NL400 JJ overpair vs TAG/Rock

LovedBySgtSaLT · #1 03-06-2007, 07:33 AM

Villain is 18/12
6.7 overall agression (5 turn aggr)
27wtsd

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em (NL$400) (5 handed) link

BB ($519.10)
Hero ($494.90)
Button ($349.00)
SB ($482.30)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $14.00, 2 folds, BB raises to $52.00, Hero calls $42.00.

Flop: ($114.00) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $88.00, Hero calls $88.00.

Turn: ($290.00) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $125.00, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $415.00.

flytrap · #2 03-06-2007, 07:37 AM

I'm starting to wonder if I'm supposed to fold these on the flop, but I probably play it the same way you did, unless this guy's 3-bet OOP range is really tight.

ArturiusX · #3 03-06-2007, 08:15 AM

I call the turn too, but I'm a station.

Macbeth · #4 03-06-2007, 09:18 AM

Good question, I have noticed this leak in my own play, calling down overpair all the way with 100bb if the pot is three bet preflop. I think a fold on the turn is better against a TAG or weak tight player who has a won at showdown of +55%. In todays more aggressive play it has become tougher to get away from TPTK and overpairs, as you are often in for about 14 blinds pre flop.

luegofuego · #5 03-06-2007, 09:43 AM

u can fold preflop.

TheWorstPlayer · #6 03-06-2007, 10:12 AM

How can you fold preflop? Looks like a good spot to play for set value. This tightwad will never drop a big pair, which he has here every time... definitely fold the flop, though.

stigmata · #7 03-06-2007, 10:17 AM

i agree with twp, the fact that his hand range is heavily skewed towards big pairs actually works in our favour.

luegofuego · #8 03-06-2007, 06:34 PM

he will never drop a big pair? he will not drop QQ on a KJx board or KK on a AJx? how about a Jxxx fourflush or fourstraight? how about AA on AJx? how about AK on Jxx?

Requin · #9 03-06-2007, 06:41 PM

Pretty standard calldown, assuming this guys stats are over a lot of hands. I think a fold PF might be good though.

sauce123 · #10 03-06-2007, 09:48 PM

I (almost) never fold here PF because even if his range is QQ KK AA+ AK, most tags (regs) I've noticed play very weak-tight on the turn with AK unimproved, and also almost never go for a CR on turn with AA KK QQ.

Because of this I call PF with the plan of calling any less than psb if no A or K falls, and betting the turn if checked too.

This by itself doesn't make a pf call +ev, but I think when you add in the times that you flop a set and stack an overpair + metagame (as in getting more action when you cold call PF in this spot with AA from AK KK QQ JJ and worse from looser players) it makes call>fold.