this hand is just sick

[BalugaWhale]

oh and btw i forgot to mention this in the OP, but i am pretty sure that UTG+1 is bad. I dont remember who he is though, so sorry if he's one of you

[JacksonTens]

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1) its not like I flatcalled cause I was like "oh shtt, they probably have the nutters fit or fold!". I flatcalled cause i had position, cause I thought it was reasonable that one of them would have a weaker ace and I might win a big pot if we both hit. basically, position was why i called. I would never call w/ AK oop like this.

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Thats precisely the reason why I agreed with your flatcall.

JT

[amoeba]

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a few things:
1) its not like I flatcalled cause I was like "oh shtt, they probably have the nutters fit or fold!". I flatcalled cause i had position, cause I thought it was reasonable that one of them would have a weaker ace and I might win a big pot if we both hit. basically, position was why i called. I would never call w/ AK oop like this.


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how did this work out for you in this hand? we have one of the better flops we could hope for and yet we are afraid to put money in.

[BalugaWhale]

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how did this work out for you in this hand? we have one of the better flops we could hope for and yet we are afraid to put money in.


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certainly the flop was good for me, although definitely a lot scarier than an Axx flop. In theory it didn't work out that badly for me (except that UTG rivered a flush with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]).. i felt like i had control of the pot.

However, I dont really see how that was worse than pushing and taking down a small pot or losing my stack.

As i said before, I think folding is probably best.

[amoeba]

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how did this work out for you in this hand? we have one of the better flops we could hope for and yet we are afraid to put money in.


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certainly the flop was good for me, although definitely a lot scarier than an Axx flop. In theory it didn't work out that badly for me (except that UTG rivered a flush with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]).. i felt like i had control of the pot.

However, I dont really see how that was worse than pushing and taking down a small pot or losing my stack.

As i said before, I think folding is probably best.

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your reverse implied odds suck when you call. you have to excercise pot control and often check when you hit a pair because the strength of your hand is so faceup when you bet. Your positional advantage is not that great because you are in a 3 way reraised pot and so much money goes in preflop.

[wdead]

i would prob just fold preflop if the table hadnt been very active. if it was i am 4 betting. calling cold just creates awkward spots where its obvious if u hit your hand and it will be hard to get value from it/not get stacked

[amoeba]

and I disagree. This flop is better than Axx assuming xx is lower than J.

I would much rather have AKQ flop rather than a AT9 or AT8 flop.

if you think villain's range is so narrow that you have to excercise pot control on a AKQ flop, you should really just fold preflop.

[wdead]

oh with an UTG raise and an UTG+1 reraise I am folding this almost always

[Black winter day]

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oh with an UTG raise and an UTG+1 reraise I am folding this almost always

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Mee too, unless UTG is a known donk, so UTg+1 might isolating him.In that case i'd probably just push.
And why is there even a question on the river?
The only hand that might call a moderate bet on this board and you beat is AQ.All the others have you crushed.If there wasn't a 3rd heart, i might bet like 2/5 the pot for value and that's really villain dependand as well.

[savager]

Is it even possible to play any weaker by any of you? UTG has rivered a flush and checks? You have toptwo and check turn after they both checked flop AND turn? I like your play preflop and flop but turn and river is horrible imo.