new live 5-5 plo game at bike...big hand

[limon]

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Limon, when you bet the turn were you betting for value or as a bluff?

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i actually put the utg player on top 2 on the flop and the button on aces w/ a weak backup draw. i felt the button would bet flop bigger and re-raise the flop w/ an overpair/draw combo because the utg player was so loose/strange. based on my reads i probably should have re-popped the flop. when the turn comes i feel im winning but not by much so i bet because i think the button will check and free cards here are death.

[gergery]

i don't mind preflop, but my thinking is more that i'm going to try and isolate and take it away from UTG, and less about what cards i have. You really can't play a big pot 7 BI deep with those cards even if you hit your hand, so your cards are more backup/safety net.

Flop I think c-r or lead is fine. Most players w big pairs will bet on that kind of board, so i like check-raise. When UTG pops it, i call. You are dead to a set, likely a modest favorite to a wrap, and he'll likely fold twopair if you raise.

Turn i check as its too likely one of them hit w 9T. They are betting and calling with something here after all.

-g

[limon]

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i don't mind preflop, but my thinking is more that i'm going to try and isolate and take it away from UTG, and less about what cards i have. You really can't play a big pot 7 BI deep with those cards even if you hit your hand, so your cards are more backup/safety net.

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this is what i was thinking and how i have always played, seems it is really disliked here (iggy?). dont people feel you need to play aggressive w/ a wide range against a single limper from late pos? for value and for meta game/advertisement purposes?

[blopp]

Fold preflop, as igg said hard to get the nuts, and u cant stack off with bottom set happily oterwise. + The hand leaves u in nasty spots like this where you have no cluw what to do. Esp this deep. The downside if being oversetted if u are 100-200bb deep live isnt that bad, and you can play your sets much more strongly.

Generally i need JJxx or bether to play for set, but I obvs play 8875, 9910J stuff too.

Turn is a bluff. You bet when the most obvs draw hits.

[RoundTower]

when you give a post with such strict reads on players, you should expect to get responses based on those reads. In this case that hasn't happened: you got responses based on normal online players.

If your reads are 100% correct then go with the line you took, because you are getting money in good. If your reads are crippled because this is not your normal game, then go with the line everyone else gives (folding a lot). If it is somewhere in between, use your judgement: that is where you make your money, where the decisions are not clear.

[cmyr]

Something i'll add is that, in the game as described, I would raise this hand from the co (at least something), but I would seriously consider folding to the 3bet from the button. We no longer have the betting lead, and we are playing OOP not only with a hand we know isn't the best, but that isn't going to hit many flops. Playing big pots deep oop without the betting lead is very very rarely +ev.

[limon]

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Something i'll add is that, in the game as described, I would raise this hand from the co (at least something), but I would seriously consider folding to the 3bet from the button. We no longer have the betting lead, and we are playing OOP not only with a hand we know isn't the best, but that isn't going to hit many flops. Playing big pots deep oop without the betting lead is very very rarely +ev.

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interesting, i sort of like this...but i feel the button becuase he is a passive player has defined his hand and playing against a defined hand is a great situation w/ any 4 cards no?

[pete fabrizio]

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Something i'll add is that, in the game as described, I would raise this hand from the co (at least something), but I would seriously consider folding to the 3bet from the button. We no longer have the betting lead, and we are playing OOP not only with a hand we know isn't the best, but that isn't going to hit many flops. Playing big pots deep oop without the betting lead is very very rarely +ev.

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i would fold to the pf raise, and i think playing small pair hands deep and oop is generally bad, but i'm not sure the "betting lead" is all that valuable in those spots. if button and utg were both loose-aggressive, i'd call a button 3-bet in the middle with a lot of pretty speculative hands, expecting to have it bet and raised back to me a lot of times when I flop big.

[JB_Dawg]

please discuss the game - when did it go and what do you think will be the schedule in the future? was there a catalyst or just a bunch of LA NL tards deciding PLO looks cool? God i'd liek to get in there.

[limon]

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Fold preflop, as igg said hard to get the nuts, and u cant stack off with bottom set happily oterwise. + The hand leaves u in nasty spots like this where you have no cluw what to do. Esp this deep. The downside if being oversetted if u are 100-200bb deep live isnt that bad, and you can play your sets much more strongly.

Generally i need JJxx or bether to play for set, but I obvs play 8875, 9910J stuff too.

Turn is a bluff. You bet when the most obvs draw hits.

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seems like people here are obsessed w/ playing pots w/ only the nuts...is this because the online games have gotten so tough/tight? if you were to watch this game for an hour i think you would see that playing only for the nuts and not using situations and hand reading would cost you alot of money ...although it would save you alot of headaches as well.

EXAMPLE POT...13k got in on the flop, one player had aajk the other 3456 on a flop of Q44