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#11
11-05-2007, 12:21 AM
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Re: Observer Q about Papawarbucks hand 200/400
ya, spades are impossible... and all of the Ax draws got there.
there is really no hand that she plays this way that you can induce against. so obv B<<<< C/F<<C/C 
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#12
11-05-2007, 12:26 AM
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Re: Observer Q about Papawarbucks hand 200/400
OK my last comments on the topic:
PapaWarbucks: posts small blind $100 aldavid31: posts big blind $200 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to PapaWarbucks [Jd Qs] bshizzle: folds Quackers: folds St1ckman: raises $200 to $400 PapaWarbucks: raises $200 to $600 aldavid31: folds St1ckman: calls $200 *** FLOP *** [3s 3c 5d] PapaWarbucks: bets $200 St1ckman: calls $200 *** TURN *** [3s 3c 5d] [Td] PapaWarbucks: bets $400 St1ckman: calls $400 *** RIVER *** [3s 3c 5d Td] [9c] PapaWarbucks: bets $400 St1ckman: folds PapaWarbucks collected $2595 from pot PapaWarbucks: doesn't show hand Against observant opponents, me betting my A7 on the river vs actnjunkie makes it easier to win a hand such as this one above, against st1ckman. Tough opponents, such as st1ckman, will often call turn bets on boards such as this one because it looks like one where I have to c-bet any two on the turn since his flop call looks like a peel. So, I can only get a K-hi to fold on this river if my river betting range isn't so polarized towards meaning "pair + or queen high -". It's the type of situation that is important to establish a diverse range of hands to prevent your play being from being predictable. None of this matters though unless you play the same people often and they remember things.
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#14
11-05-2007, 01:39 AM
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Re: Observer Q about Papawarbucks hand 200/400
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I could be wrong though. I didn't mean to present my reasoning in a holier-than-thou attitude. I'm open to the possibility I'm incorrect. [/ QUOTE ] sorry, but i can't figure out why, based on your analysis, you shouldn't just c/f the river? Ignoring the metagame thingy for now, that is.
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#15
11-05-2007, 01:41 AM
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Re: Observer Q about Papawarbucks hand 200/400
Schneids sometimes I think your focus on metagame issues is overblown (hope that doesn't sound too snarky [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]) but in this thread I think you are doing great and those two hands summarize the concept really well.
-DeathDonkey
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#16
11-05-2007, 01:48 AM
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Re: Observer Q about Papawarbucks hand 200/400
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[ QUOTE ] I could be wrong though. I didn't mean to present my reasoning in a holier-than-thou attitude. I'm open to the possibility I'm incorrect. [/ QUOTE ] sorry, but i can't figure out why, based on your analysis, you shouldn't just c/f the river? Ignoring the metagame thingy for now, that is. [/ QUOTE ] because he thinks he has the best hand more often then not. and his value bet will be profitable against her current range.
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#17
11-05-2007, 04:39 AM
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Re: Observer Q about Papawarbucks hand 200/400
According to schneids:
"Her preflop/flop/turn actions allow me to pretty easily narrow her hand range to almost exactly K high or ace high or pair of fours, and her K high will check the river" If this is true then c/f is best line by far obv (again, ignoring metagame).
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#18
11-05-2007, 05:06 AM
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Re: Observer Q about Papawarbucks hand 200/400
not if she pays off with K high and that is the majority of her range...
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#19
11-05-2007, 05:22 AM
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Re: Observer Q about Papawarbucks hand 200/400
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not if she pays off with K high and that is the majority of her range... [/ QUOTE ] hmmm, i just stoved it. Still think you lose money on the bet, but it's closer than i'd originally thought. If she occasionally bluffs k-hi when checked to, then i guess betting is ok.
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#20
11-05-2007, 09:49 AM
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Re: Observer Q about Papawarbucks hand 200/400
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It was definitely a valuebet. [/ QUOTE ] Would you bet the river with A6? What about with KQ? whats the min hand you would bet that river?
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