NL$200| 3-bet pots

Acevader · #1 10-18-2007, 06:41 AM

Hand 1

Villain is 29/19/6.5 (60). I've been 3-bet 4 times in the last 3-4 orbits and folded each time. The hand before this villain 3-bet me. I elect to call this one with the intention of bluffing a lot of boards. Thoughts.

Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (4 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Button ($222.45)
SB ($512.40)
BB ($206)
Hero ($200)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $7, 1 fold, SB raises to $25, 1 fold, Hero calls $18.

Flop: ($52) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $35, Hero raises to $100, SB raises to $487.4 (All-In), Hero calls $75 (All-In).

Turn: ($714.40) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)
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River: ($714.40) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $714.40

Hand 2

Villain is 17/14/2.6 (600). Standard call down? Fold turn? Turn raise was simply because if I call all the money has to go in one way or another.

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SB ($337.60)
BB ($276.70)
UTG ($336.70)
MP ($203)
CO ($202)
Hero ($323.80)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP raises to $7, 1 fold, Hero raises to $23, 2 folds, MP calls $16.

Flop: ($49) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP bets $35, Hero calls $35.

Turn: ($119) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP bets $80, Hero raises to $265.8 (All-In), MP calls $65 (All-In).

River: ($529.80) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)
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Final Pot: $529.80

Kapten · #2 10-18-2007, 06:47 AM

Total spew.

Jub. · #3 10-18-2007, 06:48 AM

Hand 1: With your move PF I feel you are better to float the flop and take away the pot on the turn if he checkas to you. This is because any raise you make on the flop commits you to the hand if he 3bets you. Whereas on the turn if you bet 70$ when if he checks you can still release the hand to a CR allin

Hand 2: Fine

Acevader · #4 10-18-2007, 06:55 AM

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Total spew.

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Right, so lets recap on the last few days what I've learned thanks to the 2+2 forum:

1. If you are being 3-bet to hell you have to play back or find new tables.
2. You can't just wait for QQ+,AK
3. Checking the flop and raising villains turn bet with ace-high is a spew (see my other recent thread)
3. Raising a flop with ace high is a spew.
4. Calling any AI with ace high is a spew
5. Calling any AI with a weak pair is a spew.
6. Betting with anything less than TPTK is a spew but folding if resisted is also a spew.
7. In short betting/calling with anything less than an overpair or set is a spew.

Have I missed anything? I'm not joking the message I'm getting is never call a 3-bet with less than QQ+, AK+ and you should probably 4-bet anyway. Never play a flop unless you have TPTK in which circumstance never lay it down? Have I got it yet?

Kapten · #5 10-18-2007, 07:00 AM

1. Do not agree
2. Agree.
3. I have not read that one.
3. Depends on villian.
4. Depends on villian.
5. Depends on villian.
6. Do not agree.
7. Do not agree.

1o BoY · #6 10-18-2007, 07:40 AM

I dont have that much of a problem with it.

scv · #7 10-18-2007, 07:49 AM

#1 is a bit tricky. If villain is good he probably thinks that you are getting frustrated and is betting to induce this bluff. If villain is bad he might bet pocket 8s or something to protect and just get it in because he doesnt belive you. I think he has to be nitty and bad for this bluff to work and I dont think that is the case for most 29/19 guys. So I just fold the flop.

I fold hand #2 on turn. Think he's got a set or have slowplayed a big pair on you here. A player like this doesnt bluff of his stack on this board and doesnt bet worse for value.

bubaloo · #8 10-18-2007, 10:34 AM

hand 1: seeing as youve been 3bet lots, calling is ok pf. flop - folding=ok/meh. maybe float and shove if he checks turn/you hit a/q.

hand 2: this looks pretty standard.

FGators · #9 10-18-2007, 11:15 AM

lol at putting him on a set in hand 2-that is totally standard.

I'd likely fold preflop in hand 1. Hate playing AQo OOP. Your UTG raise has to account for a little something. Your whole action in hand one seems very spewy.

Suigin406 · #10 10-18-2007, 11:34 AM

hand 1, he sees ur UTG and doesn't care, i can fold this PF too against some...

hand 2 is std imo