Raised On The River - WTF Now?

[Mossberg]

villain is 46/21/1 over 30 hands
Easy Call getting 11.5-1?
Is the turn raise standard?

Limit: $3/$6
4 players
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Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, Button calls, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises</font>, Hero calls, Button calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4.5SB, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, Hero calls, Button calls.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3.75BB, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, SB folds.

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (8.75BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises</font>, Hero calls.

[Oracle]

Call and expect to lose. I don't think you can make these folds because people will start to run over you.

[Fiddler]

I think checking and calling the river is better because it sure looks like he was drawing.

[Nick C]

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I think checking and calling the river is better because it sure looks like he was drawing.

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I agree.

However, FWIW, Villain won't bluff when checked to very often here, given the action on previous streets.

[theflyingcow]

Yeah. This looks like Ah, 4x to me.

[LeadbellyDan]

why did u raise the turn instead of the flop??

[cassette]

I would raise the flop to try to get rid of the button. I would also like to get an idea of where I am at on the cheaper street. And there's no way I fold the river.

[Mossberg]

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I would raise the flop to try to get rid of the button. I would also like to get an idea of where I am at on the cheaper street.

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Perfect. I agree 100%.

[Solid_p]

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why did u raise the turn instead of the flop??

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Vulnerable hand that could easily be outdrawn by the river. His edge is significantly bigger on a safe turn card than on the flop.

[Mossberg]

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why did u raise the turn instead of the flop??

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Vulnerable hand that could easily be outdrawn by the river. His edge is significantly bigger on a safe turn card than on the flop.

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This is why I played the hand the way I did at the time, but now I'm having a hard time deciding which is optimal. I'm not sure how to figure out how/if the benefits of waiting for the turn outweigh the benefits of raising the flop.