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08-11-2006, 12:28 PM
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MPTK was this a good call down?
Two issues in this hand that may be major leaks in my game.
On the flop I put villain on a set, overpair, AK or maybe AQ. So I chicken out and decide to call down. When the K hits on the river I thought: "Well now I only beat AQ". Yet I called and he indeed showed AQ. I felt REALLY proud for 2 seconds, and know I wonder whether my line sucks. As I played the hand should i even call this river. And shouldnt I raise the turn? (Is it not Oink who is the passive fish in this hand?) Ultimate Bet 1/2 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Preflop: Oink is MP with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Passive fish calls, <font color="#CC3333">Oink raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Unknown 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Passive fish calls, Oink calls. Flop: (10.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> Passive fish checks, Oink checks, <font color="#CC3333">Unknown bets</font>, Passive fish calls, <font color="#CC3333">Oink raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Unknown 3-bets</font>, Passive fish calls, Oink calls. Turn: (9.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> Passive fish checks, Oink checks, <font color="#CC3333">Unknown bets</font>, Passive fish calls, Oink calls. River: (12.75 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> Passive fish checks, Oink checks, <font color="#CC3333">Unknown bets</font>, Passive fish folds, Oink calls. Final Pot: 14.75 BB 
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#2
08-11-2006, 12:34 PM
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Re: MPTK was this a good call down?
don't give results, it will bias the advice you get
assuming someone has a set or overpair because they 3-bet the flop (after 3-betting OTB) is too restrictive. even if he does have an overpair (set is far less likely) you have several outs. on turn, why do you think you should raise? on river calling down is easy, especially since you don't have to overcall.
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#3
08-11-2006, 12:45 PM
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Re: MPTK was this a good call down?
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on river calling down is easy, especially since you don't have to overcall. [/ QUOTE ] Is it really "easy"? Villain 3-bet preflop, 3-bet the flop and bet a river he could so easily check behind if he got here with a PP less than hero's tens. Villain can't show any more aggression in this hand than he did. I'm not sure I'd fold, but I'd have a hard time making this river call.
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08-11-2006, 12:49 PM
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Re: MPTK was this a good call down?
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[ QUOTE ] on river calling down is easy, especially since you don't have to overcall. [/ QUOTE ] Is it really "easy"? Villain 3-bet preflop, 3-bet the flop and bet a river he could so easily check behind if he got here with a PP less than hero's tens. Villain can't show any more aggression in this hand than he did. I'm not sure I'd fold, but I'd have a hard time making this river call. [/ QUOTE ] when you factor in the retard quotient (the proportion of unknowns who are retarded), calling is easy
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#6
08-11-2006, 12:56 PM
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Re: MPTK was this a good call down?
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Is it really "easy"? Villain 3-bet preflop, 3-bet the flop and bet a river he could so easily check behind if he got here with a PP less than hero's tens. Villain can't show any more aggression in this hand than he did. I'm not sure I'd fold, but I'd have a hard time making this river call. [/ QUOTE ] "easy" as in "wow that pot is big and I'm closing the action getting 13:1".
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#7
08-11-2006, 12:56 PM
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Re: MPTK was this a good call down?
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Why do you think you should raise the turn yet fold the river? [/ QUOTE ] Yeah Econ Tim pointed out the same. That makes no sense. I guess the hand just confused me cuz i didnt know whether to love my play or hate it.
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#8
08-11-2006, 01:11 PM
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Re: MPTK was this a good call down?
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when you factor in the retard quotient (the proportion of unknowns who are retarded), calling is easy [/ QUOTE ] Ahahaha. Yes. And btw, I think I'm paying off AK, TT+ almost every time with this hand.
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