Do you ask yourself why they folded? $60 challenge... - Page 2

SlantNGo · #11 08-31-2006, 11:46 AM

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Villain is 25/8/3.

PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises, MP calls, 2 folds, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (7 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP folds, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB folds.

Final Pot: 7.50 BB

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Do you fold to a turn raise? I'll check behind and call a river bet vs. an aggressive opponent, figuring it makes me the same amount but prevents me from being pushed off the best hand.

milesdyson · #12 08-31-2006, 11:52 AM

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MilesDyson not eligible because he is a 2+2 hater

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This is the only one I can find:

PokerStars 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds.

Final Pot: 5.50 BB

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lol

FWIW i have a hand against kwaz where he 3-bets me on a flop and folds to a turn donk or something.

Spy Dog · #13 08-31-2006, 12:31 PM

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Villain is 25/8/3.

PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises, MP calls, 2 folds, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (7 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP folds, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB folds.

Final Pot: 7.50 BB

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This doesn't qualify because he didn't fold on the same street that he played back at you.

JerseyTom · #14 08-31-2006, 01:19 PM

Admittedly, this was somewhat botched...

Villain was stupid aggro.

Party Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $1/$2
4 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (4 players) JerseyTom is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, Button raises, SB calls, JerseyTom calls.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6SB, 3 players)
SB checks, JerseyTom checks, Button bets, SB folds, JerseyTom raises, Button calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5BB, 2 players)
JerseyTom checks, Button bets, JerseyTom raises, Button folds.
Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to JerseyTom.

Results:
Final pot: 7BB

Fiddler · #15 08-31-2006, 02:10 PM

Villain is very, very, very, very tight. Maybe he has just switched over from full ring or something because his VP$IP is 15% over more than 400 hands. If he has any sort of sane read on me then the 3-bet after the king hits kinda gives at least trip tens away.

PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises, MP calls, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, Hero calls, MP calls.

Flop: (10.33 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, CO bets, Hero raises, MP folds, CO calls.

Turn: (7.16 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, CO folds.

Final Pot: 12.16 BB

Spy Dog · #16 08-31-2006, 02:38 PM

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Admittedly, this was somewhat botched...

Villain was stupid aggro.

Party Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $1/$2
4 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (4 players) JerseyTom is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, Button raises, SB calls, JerseyTom calls.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6SB, 3 players)
SB checks, JerseyTom checks, Button bets, SB folds, JerseyTom raises, Button calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5BB, 2 players)
JerseyTom checks, Button bets, JerseyTom raises, Button folds.
Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to JerseyTom.

Results:
Final pot: 7BB

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This hand doesn't qualify because you gave up initiative on the turn. On a side note you need to 3-bet AKo 3-way 100% of the time preflop. No exceptions.

Spy Dog · #17 08-31-2006, 02:40 PM

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Villain is very, very, very, very tight. Maybe he has just switched over from full ring or something because his VP$IP is 15% over more than 400 hands. If he has any sort of sane read on me then the 3-bet after the king hits kinda gives at least trip tens away.

PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises, MP calls, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, Hero calls, MP calls.

Flop: (10.33 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, CO bets, Hero raises, MP folds, CO calls.

Turn: (7.16 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, CO folds.

Final Pot: 12.16 BB

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This is a qualifying hand. Based on your read do you think you should have played this differently? If so, how and why?

JerseyTom · #18 08-31-2006, 02:51 PM

Yeah, I realized it didn't qualify after I posted it.

This one is better. Villain was 30/27/1.9 so his range is uber-wide here.

Party Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
2 folds, Hero raises, Button calls, SB 3-bets, BB folds, Hero caps, Button folds, SB calls.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (11SB, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (8.5BB, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB folds.
Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: 8.5BB

To bail on the turn here, he probably has a non-Ace, non-pair hand and thinks he has at most one overcard to my (obvious?) pair (he doesn't know it's as low as 99). Maybe something like KTs, QTs? Unless he's doing this w/K8 or so, I'm afraid he has 6 outs, so I have to keep the pedal down. I honestly don't think he folds 88/77 here.

Tom

Spy Dog · #19 08-31-2006, 02:53 PM

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Yeah, I realized it didn't qualify after I posted it.

This one is better. Villain was 30/27/1.9 so his range is uber-wide here.

Party Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
2 folds, Hero raises, Button calls, SB 3-bets, BB folds, Hero caps, Button folds, SB calls.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (11SB, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (8.5BB, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB folds.
Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: 8.5BB

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Another DQ. He must fold on the same street that he played back at you.

Spy Dog · #20 08-31-2006, 02:57 PM

Is it really that hard to come up with some examples or is the original post too complicated? Nobody has ever raised a donkbet HU and made villian fold? Nobody has ever 3-bet villian's flop CR or raise and folded him? Do these things only happen to me? Am I the only person that wonders why people fold, especially when I want them to call?