HUSNG - Marginal hand OOP on turn

[Nichomacheo]

Haven't picked up much on villain, other than he limps more than optimal in position.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (2 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button (t1415)
Hero (t1585)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Button calls t15, Hero checks.

Flop: (t60) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t60</font>, Button calls t60.

Turn: (t180) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Check/Call?, Check/Fold? Bet/Fold?

I see merits to all of these lines. Am I aiming for pot control or should I be trying to extract value from a weaker ten (who may think I'm on a flush draw) or flush draw (who will either take a free card/bet)?

[rja87]

I'd fire on the turn, alot of them will just give up since your turn bet will be bigger than the flop bet. There's also a good chance he's on the draw or bottom pair, it's pretty rare they play a queen this way so the only hand you can feasibly be worried about is AT. I'd definitely bet and then evaluate again depending on the river.

[jay_shark]

The bet-fold option is stronger .

It is a limped pot after all so it's likely your hand fairs better if he has middle pair . If he has top pair , you will probably find out on the turn but I think this is less than 50% of the time .

[cwar]

I would c/c here, I think without a lot of info this will do the best because you have to assume he will be a significant amount of flush draws when checked to so this protects you best when he has Qx and you extract more from his weaker pairs.

[Dromar]

[ QUOTE ]
I would c/c here, I think without a lot of info this will do the best because you have to assume he will be a significant amount of flush draws when checked to so this protects you best when he has Qx and you extract more from his weaker pairs.

[/ QUOTE ]

I agree. c/c.

[bbbushu]

cwar,

are u saying that when we check villain will bet his/her weaker pairs? seems like villain will need to bet a lot of hands like that or the draws in order for checking to be better. our check looks defensive to villain on the turn - i doubt they'd bet very often as a bluff (or even semibluff) knowing that we prolly won't fold.

[Landonfan]

[ QUOTE ]
I would c/c here, I think without a lot of info this will do the best because you have to assume he will be a significant amount of flush draws when checked to so this protects you best when he has Qx and you extract more from his weaker pairs.

[/ QUOTE ]
Do we c/c twice, or call turn/fold river? Without reads, I can't possibly see how calling twice is better than a b/f.

[Landonfan]

Oh, what level is this? This a b/f at an 11, but I don't know how it would play out where the ratio of stations to bluff-happy lags is different.

[sonneti]

Sorry for derailment but I've only started playing HU sng's lately so I may be way off but why arent you raising pre-flop? If he is limping too much shouldnt you be punishing that or should we just wait until later.

At the $20 level I'd normally raise PF, fire at the flop, fire at the turn, check call river to see all sorts of wiffed draws and 7-9 type combo's.

[jay_shark]

Sonneti , you're right .

He should have raised pre-flop with k-10 against a frequent limper .