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Old 10-11-2007, 02:22 PM
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Default Re: Always in calldown mode

Raisy-daisy for the reasons mentioned above. Without the gutshot and/or on a less FD-y board calling down is closer to right, though I still think I raise as JT-KQ type hands are a decent portion of his range, and you're ok with him either folding his 6 outer, or putting 2 bets in and letting you check behind a non ideal river.
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Old 10-11-2007, 02:28 PM
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Default Re: Always in calldown mode

I just did what I thought was a reasonable stove vs a 50/25

9h8d = 72.65%
22+,A2s+,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T8s+,98s,A6o+,KTo+,QTo+,JT o = 27.35%
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Old 10-11-2007, 02:29 PM
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Default Re: Always in calldown mode

danza - not sure he's bet/calling his ENTIRE range here though. Although certainly a lot of it.
Guys like this could have QT or something and can find a fold to a turn-raise here where otherwise they would continue on with the bluff.
I seem to take these down a lot right then and there even against bluffy 50/25's like this.

Doesn't mean you shouldn't do it though.
I would think raising the turn here is the way better option.
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Old 10-11-2007, 02:33 PM
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Default Re: Always in calldown mode

MB,

In my experience they don't fold a 6 outer. The only 3 outers are like A4 and i can see him calling "incase you're semi bluffing", the rest of them are gutshots + overs or already are a pair (yea 2 outers!).

I could see like a 30/20 b/f'ing QJo here but not this type of guy.

He could though, I agree.
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Old 10-11-2007, 02:44 PM
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I don't know. Every time I think, "there's no way he's folding practically anything here so I think I can spew" he ends up folding.
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Old 10-11-2007, 03:23 PM
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Default Re: Always in calldown mode

Raise for value and call down a 3-bet. Just calling is leaving money at the table.
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Old 10-11-2007, 04:22 PM
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Default Re: Always in calldown mode

I love raising here because you probably have the best hand and the best draw. Plus, it looks to your opponent that you are bluffing/semibluffing, since it happens all the time. This is the time to jack it up - you may be surprised what will give you action.
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Old 10-11-2007, 04:24 PM
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Default Re: Always in calldown mode

Responses are pretty much what I expected. The main problem in my thinking in this spot seems to be that villain likely to spew bad enough that getting 3-bet isn't that tough.

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<font color="white">River is a 7. Villain b/c AK</font>
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Old 10-11-2007, 05:49 PM
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Default Re: Always in calldown mode

[ QUOTE ]
Responses are pretty much what I expected. The main problem in my thinking in this spot seems to be that villain likely to spew bad enough that getting 3-bet isn't that tough.

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<font color="white">River is a 7. Villain b/c AK</font>

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, I think villain C/C's AK here also, so you make sure that extra bet goes in when you are either way ahead or slightly behind...
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