21/17/3.0/22

[Tickner]

VPIP 21%
PFR 17%
AF 3.0
WTSD 22%

In iStrong's well post he claims this to be the type of player that is playing close to an unexploitable game.

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Btw, I believe unexploitable play to be around 21/17/3.0 wtsd 22. Anything away from this can be exploited in one way or another.

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He proceeds to say that its important to understand why this is "unexploitable" and that its important to know how to play vs it and how to adjust vs people who deviate from this strategy.

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I agree, unexploitable strategies are not necessarily +EV (edit: maximally +EV i mean). And unless you're playing a bunch of people who are playing unexploitable strategy it's definitly not the most +EV. It may be possible that there are several unexploitable strategy and not just one. Regardless, it's not really relevant. All I was trying to say is when you see a 30/25/8 you should immediately think that there is a way to exploit this guy and figure out how (things like 3-betting him more IP, calling more IP, slowplaying more post flop etc)

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I think this can be a pretty good discussion that we should continue here instead of derailing his well.


Some interesting questions that arise from this:

1. Is there an unexploitable strategy?

2. If so, is it optimal (meaning maximum EV)?

3. How should we play vs this type of player?

4. Anyone who deviates from this preflop style needs to be adjusted to properly, and played against slightly differently. Correct?

5. If so, how does hand change vs a player whom is

a) 10/5/2.0
b) 50/30/4.5
c) 64/10/0.5
d) 28/22/3
e) 19/16/3.5
f) 100/0/0.5
g) 100/90/7
h) 6/0/2
i) 12/10/5
j) 30/20/3.4

I dont mean to post these questions and have everyone quote them and answer each one, but more-so to think about each of the questions and give general thoughts on the subject.

I'll post my thoughts later.