Weird situation in sit n go

[Peter]

Yesterday a weird situation came up in a sit n go.
I raised and the BB called. After he put his chips in he turned his cards over while we both had some chips left. I have heard stories about hands being dead when shown in tournaments before all action is over, but since it was HU I am assuming it's not so in this case. I'm not sure though. Can someone clarify?

The guy showed A6 and the flop came AA2. Everybody laughed at his good fortune and he bet his last chips. I called since I had AJ. Since the action was over now, I showed my hand and he mucked his hand, and by mucking I mean throwing it face down over the betting line. In this casino they have the very strict rule that everything that goes over that line is not yours anymore and they follow this rule religiously. Before the dealer put the cards in the muck I argued since it's a tournament and the player is all-in he should get to keep his cards until all the cards are out. Am I right on this or not?

[freedom18]

nit

[bernie]

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Before the dealer put the cards in the muck I argued since it's a tournament and the player is all-in he should get to keep his cards until all the cards are out. Am I right on this or not?


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A nit would be arguing to make sure the guys hand is dead w/o bringing the turn and river. I think the OP should get kudos for giving the guy a legitimate chance to win. It shows a bit of class doing that.

Right or not? Depends on the rules for exposed hands during tourneys in your room.

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[npknhldr]

standard that "all-in" hands in tourney are played to river; that they must be placed face up and turn/river must be dealt.

So even if he thinks he's drawing dead, hand should be turned back up.
exposing cards like that doesn't kill a hand.

[Peter]

Thanks for the replies. What's the proper rule for hands being exposed before all the action has ended, both HU and in multiway pots? Like I said, I assume HU the hand stays live, which I think should be the case.

For the person calling me a nit: you are stupid.
I never argued for the guys hand to be dead and I was the first to argue he should get his cards back when he mucked them.

The room I play in has a very strict 'over the line' policy.
A couple of days ago a player put his cards over the line when he thought everybody had folded to his raise. When he noticed there was one caller, he took his cards back but he was forced to forfeit the pot, since his cards had been over the line. His cards hadn't even been near the muck and the caller hadn't reacted in anyway on this 'muck' yet.
It's also common that an out of turn call is forced to stay in the pot if there turns out to be a raise in front of the out of turn caller. So if this player wanted to fold, his called bet had to stay in the pot.
I'm pretty new to live play, but from what I have read on this forum this is not what would happen in a proper run room.

[PantsOnFire]

The rule for exposed hands in tourney play is usually a time penalty. Sometimes an innocent mistake may warrant a warning. This rule applies until it is heads up (i.e. two players left in tourney) when it then is like a cash game and anybody can expose their hand at any time.

A hand is NEVER declared dead when exposed.

As for him tossing his hand over the line, well it's mucked and that's the end of it (well almost). If the guy thought about it and realized he wasn't drawing dead, he might be able to ask the floor over and have his hand retreived if it is still distinctly identifiable and not mixed into the muck.

So in this vein, I don't like the fact that the guy who thought everyone folded to his raise lost his cards even though they were clearly identifiable. I don't think that reflects well on whatever poker room that was.

They have the betting out of turn rule wrong as well. A bet or raise out of turn only has to remain there if there is a fold by the player who was skipped. If the skipped player calls or raises, the out of turn player can pull his bet back and reconsider (and then probably get a warning at the end of the hand).

[zuluking]

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idiot.

[Peter]

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They have the betting out of turn rule wrong as well. A bet or raise out of turn only has to remain there if there is a fold by the player who was skipped. If the skipped player calls or raises, the out of turn player can pull his bet back and reconsider (and then probably get a warning at the end of the hand).

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I thought a call or raise out of turn had to remain there if there was no change in action. So it has to remain there whether the person skipped folds or calls and it can be pulled back only when the skipped player raises. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[PantsOnFire]

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They have the betting out of turn rule wrong as well. A bet or raise out of turn only has to remain there if there is a fold by the player who was skipped. If the skipped player calls or raises, the out of turn player can pull his bet back and reconsider (and then probably get a warning at the end of the hand).

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I thought a call or raise out of turn had to remain there if there was no change in action. So it has to remain there whether the person skipped folds or calls and it can be pulled back only when the skipped player raises. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Here is the rule from Robert's Rules of Poker. Of courese, a card room can have a different local rule but this is most common.

10. Deliberately acting out of turn will not be tolerated. A player who checks out of turn may not bet or raise on the next turn to act. An action or verbal declaration out of turn may be ruled binding if there is no bet, call, or raise by an intervening player acting after the infraction has been committed.

[johnnyrocket]

very classy of u, u stay classy san diaaago