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#12
11-21-2007, 08:12 PM
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Re: Over-bet bluff shove...250bb deep.
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[ QUOTE ] So I think a $90 bet would accomplish the same here, am I way off here? [/ QUOTE ] I don't think villain is ever folding anything for $90 here. He also plays really straight-forward, so he has a set/2 pair practically never. Even if he does show up w/ 2-pair...like you mentioned, it got counterfeited. [/ QUOTE ] If you're so confident about this, then why do u need to bet so much to get him off of a weak ace? 
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#13
11-21-2007, 08:14 PM
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Re: Over-bet bluff shove...250bb deep.
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If you're so confident about this, then why do u need to bet so much to get him off of a weak ace? [/ QUOTE ] I think he calls up to a PSB w/ most of his range. Agree w/ you though about $200 being just as good. Might even look scarier.
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#14
11-21-2007, 08:16 PM
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Re: Over-bet bluff shove...250bb deep.
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i think it's either 3barrel or give up on turn [/ QUOTE ] Agreed [ QUOTE ] i think you're getting called too much because your line isn't really consistent... why would you valueshove AK/AA/... here when he has a weak hand (he doesn't check 33/88/AT 3 times, so he has like AJ AQ a lot here imho)? [/ QUOTE ] Why can't I show up w/ 33/88/AA/AT/AK/AQ...hell even Tx here?
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#15
11-21-2007, 08:19 PM
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Re: Over-bet bluff shove...250bb deep.
I used to do this all the time, and it's generally terrible spew.
You have 2nd pair on the flop though and he hardly check/calls T/x on the flop so I'd check back 2 streets and hope to showdown versus a mid pocket.
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#17
11-21-2007, 08:23 PM
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Re: Over-bet bluff shove...250bb deep.
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[ QUOTE ] i think it's either 3barrel or give up on turn [/ QUOTE ] Agreed [ QUOTE ] i think you're getting called too much because your line isn't really consistent... why would you valueshove AK/AA/... here when he has a weak hand (he doesn't check 33/88/AT 3 times, so he has like AJ AQ a lot here imho)? [/ QUOTE ] Why can't I show up w/ 33/88/AA/AT/AK/AQ...hell even Tx here? [/ QUOTE ] you sure can, all those hands are the 3 points [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] i'm just saying, he also knows he look weak ... why would you shove for value vs a weak hand instead of bet like 75% pot?
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#18
11-21-2007, 08:24 PM
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Re: Over-bet bluff shove...250bb deep.
I'm kinda going back and forth on this, you rep very few hands that make any sense and that shove on the river just seems very suspicious. However, this is nearly 250 bb deep so villian can easily fold reluctantly, and your read on him and especially his comment definitely helps your case here. If I had AT+, I'd have a really hard time letting this go to your river bet.
With that said, I thikn that's why this is a fantastic bet if you've got AK and something that I do on a regular basis (although I dont' shove, but that's just personal style i suppose). So with that said, I dont really like it. I think you're representing too little and a decent handreader will probably snap this off.
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#20
11-21-2007, 08:32 PM
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Re: Over-bet bluff shove...250bb deep.
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why would you shove for value vs a weak hand instead of bet like 75% pot? [/ QUOTE ] This is a good point...but I'm not sure if villain's thinking that way. And FWIW, I make over-bets like this for value all the time. I've been getting more folds than usual in these spots, so I figured it might be a good spot to bluff.
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