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#11
11-26-2007, 11:35 PM
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Re: Standard push, right?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] pushing is +EV folding is lol, but just raise [/ QUOTE ] Yeah folding is out of the question. Just found my copy of NLHTP and a push is > folding up to 48ish BBs but the real question is if I want to raise normally. I feel like I get into a lot of strange situations if he calls the raise due to stack size issues and me not playing well in those situations. I also think that some players are more likely to call some hands that they would fold to a push like JTs. I'm also afraid he could push ATC over the raise and force me to make wrong laydowns there. [/ QUOTE ] you should never raise/fold a pair vs a stack < 20BB [/ QUOTE ] If that is the case then I don't see why a regular raise is better than a push. I don't want to induce anything with 22 here so I might as well go for max FE. But as I said in the OP I'm wondering at what stack size a raise becomes better than a push and what ranges we can put villain on if he pushes over our raise. I think the bigger the stack size, the more likely a Sklansky-C based push is not the best play. For the sake of argument, say villain has 40BB and we have 44. Shove is still not exploitable but a raise might be better even if he calls some hands that we prefer him to fold (say JTs again) because we can win with cbetting now and can assume that a repush is a smaller range of hands. 
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#14
11-27-2007, 02:12 AM
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Re: Standard push, right?
in a donkament, I'd shove with 22+ but it's also cuz I want to merge the range better with my air.
in a live cash game, I typically shove with 22 but would raise with a good hand like TT+ to induce something stupid from villain
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#15
11-27-2007, 02:24 AM
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Re: Standard push, right?
i like the shove here
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#16
11-27-2007, 03:36 AM
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Re: Standard push, right?
while we are on the subject, how weak of an ace can we make this same play with?
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#18
11-27-2007, 05:02 AM
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Re: Standard push, right?
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while we are on the subject, how weak of an ace can we make this same play with? [/ QUOTE ] Any Aces, suited or not
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#20
11-27-2007, 11:51 AM
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Re: Standard push, right?
Ok, I concider this case of pushing the 22 closed. Pleas no more answers a la "yes shove is fine" (I'd generally prefer reasoning with answers but meh I take whatever I can get [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] ). But please discuss this as that is what I'm mainly interested in:
""" I'm wondering at what stack size of villain I prefer to raise and fold [instead of shoving according to Sklansky-C] a certain part of my range to agression and push another part. """ + """ I think the bigger the stack size, the more likely a Sklansky-C based push is not the best play. For the sake of argument, say villain has 40BB and we have 44. Shove is still not exploitable but a raise might be better even if he calls some hands that we prefer him to fold (say JTs again) because we can win with cbetting now and can assume that a repush is a smaller range of hands. """
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