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Old 07-12-2007, 11:40 AM
Rico Suave Rico Suave is offline
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Default Flop check

I wanted to get your opinions on this flop check.

Pretty meh online game.

Don't know much about MP1. He seems aggressive enough, seemed normal for typical online 3/6 guy--though I don't know what to make of the open limp.

MP2 likes to overlimp alot. He peels flops quite a bit, plays the turn more aggressively than flops, and goes to showdown a lot.

MP2 knows I am pretty aggressive preflop, postflop, but I don't showdown tons, and probably fold too much postflop.

3/6 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (7.33 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks.

I bet here 99.9% of the time, for all the obvious reasons (best hand, no free cards, position, yada yada yada). I am pretty sure that the responses will mostly reflect that sentiment.

However, is there any argument for checking in this situation? I am getting called on that flop a ton, and getting c/r a decent amount. Checking does not mean giving up, as I can still call/raise/bet the turn depend on turn card and action. I also know my check will look out of place, as any hand is betting there nearly 100% of the time.

So, any takers?
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Old 07-12-2007, 12:01 PM
StrictlyStrategy StrictlyStrategy is offline
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Default Re: Flop check

Bet simply for value.
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Old 07-12-2007, 12:06 PM
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Default Re: Flop check

i bet this flop 100% of the time.

1) value
2) initiative
3) dont give away free cards to random hands that pair up on the turn
4) people pay me off more when i actually have a hand

make it 4-5 handed and then you have a discussion.
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Old 07-12-2007, 12:11 PM
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Default Re: Flop check

i agree with the above points, and add one more: checking behind here basically turns your hand face up and allows your opponents to play better against you on the turn and river.
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Old 07-12-2007, 01:13 PM
TheCount212 TheCount212 is offline
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Default Re: Flop check

Betting will likely confirm that you are now ahead. Checking behind, on the other hand, tells you nothing about what your opponents hold.
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Old 07-12-2007, 01:15 PM
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Default Re: Flop check

u kno wut u shoulda done
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Old 07-12-2007, 01:51 PM
Kurn, son of Mogh Kurn, son of Mogh is offline
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Default Re: Flop check

First of all, you don't have to cb all the time. 2nd, there are a number of flops/situations where I won't bet the flop after raising preflop.

This isn't one of them.
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Old 07-12-2007, 02:01 PM
StrictlyStrategy StrictlyStrategy is offline
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I'd check Qh Jh here.
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Old 07-12-2007, 02:25 PM
Elverian Elverian is offline
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Default Re: Flop check

How are you betting for value with ace high against 2 opponents. I'd still cbett here as it's a flop unlikely to have hit the opponents (I'd prefer one). The danger is that a call was from a mid pair. If they call your cbet you have outs as long as they didn't make a set.At least then you know where you stand.
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Old 07-12-2007, 02:39 PM
StrictlyStrategy StrictlyStrategy is offline
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Your first statement contradicts itself completely.



A hand like 55-66 will probably fastplay this a little more.
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