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Old 07-05-2007, 01:42 AM
rzweig rzweig is offline
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Default 100nl KK- ok fold?

villian is 44/12/1

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $88.45
Hero (BB): $128.40
UTG: $165.70
MP: $98.20
CO: $44.65
BTN: $139.65

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG calls $1.00, MP calls $1.00, CO calls $1.00, BTN folds, SB calls $0.50, <font color="red">Hero raises to $8.00</font>, UTG calls $7.00, 3 folds

Flop: ($19) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $14.00</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $28.00</font>, Hero calls $14.00

Turn: ($75) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $50.00</font>, Hero folds

Pot Size: $125.00 ($3 Rake)
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Old 07-05-2007, 02:10 AM
hightiger hightiger is offline
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Default Re: 100nl KK- ok fold?

I would call this. It isn't an easy position to play, but the UTG's actions make perfect sense for a pair of jacks. He could, of course, have flopped two pair or better. But you're getting 2.5 to one on the call, compensating you for this possibility. Also, his somewhat fast play makes a flopped straight a little unlikely. You have a smidgen of insurance from your inside straight draw, not much but a little bonus. And if he has two pair, you have six extra outs that counterfiet it.

Nevertheless, you may have saved the rest of your stack. It mostly depends on how UTG plays.
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Old 07-05-2007, 07:12 AM
lag0n lag0n is offline
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Default Re: 100nl KK- ok fold?

If he calls here on the turn, what's the plan for the river? About $42 left and $175 pot. Check/fold ???
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Old 07-05-2007, 07:19 AM
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Default Re: 100nl KK- ok fold?

He doesn't call the turn, he either pushes or folds - i strongly lean towards pushing because UTG is a moron and morons rarely ever fastplay big hands.
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Old 07-05-2007, 07:25 AM
Suwalski Suwalski is offline
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Default Re: 100nl KK- ok fold?

How do you guys like to 3bet flop?
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Old 07-05-2007, 07:26 AM
Nick Royale Nick Royale is offline
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Default Re: 100nl KK- ok fold?

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He doesn't call the turn, he either pushes or folds - i strongly lean towards pushing because UTG is a moron and morons rarely ever fastplay big hands.

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And by fastplaying you mean min-raising? This just isn't correct.
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Old 07-05-2007, 07:33 AM
paulnic paulnic is offline
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Default Re: 100nl KK- ok fold?

i like a call here. if he has a jack thats just plain ul. this is a great bluffing spot for many players. he probs thinks he's trying to move u off ak or 99 i call then shove blank river
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Old 07-05-2007, 07:49 AM
MortenTA MortenTA is offline
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Default Re: 100nl KK- ok fold?

I find myself often played back at when the hand is limped all around and I raise big from the blinds. People just get so frustrated with that.

In this hand im probably going broke with kings.

I think a flop 3bet is ok because of wet board, but I would def. call sometimes and c/r a blank turn AI.
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Old 07-05-2007, 08:43 AM
Elverian Elverian is offline
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Default Re: 100nl KK- ok fold?

Fold seems to be the order of the day. Stinks of a set.
Can't see what other hands limp in UTG then call a big PF raise and play this way. Also villain must have QQ+ as part of your likely range, so $50 turn bet speaks volumes.
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Old 07-05-2007, 09:53 AM
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Default Re: 100nl KK- ok fold?

fold is fine, so is shove.
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