When to stop pushing a weak BB, if ever.

[ellipse_87]

I had pushed literally the past 4 times I had villain in this position, getting a fold every time, plus 2 or 3 from OTB and a couple limp-steals of another weak player on my right. (I had worked my way up from a short stack without a showdown). At what chip position are you finally jeopardizing too much to continue this? Or do you just keep going until your'e looked up, regardless?

Party
NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Level:6 Blinds(100/200)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 3: Hero ( $1860 )
Seat 4: doobs ( $865 )
Seat 5: WaW_3Card ( $3405 )
Seat 6: JJHW7 ( $1870 )
Trny:18805568 Level:6
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Tc 5h ]
WaW_3Card folds.
JJHW7 folds.
Hero...

[runner4life7]

i think i still push this.

[lastchance]

If the guy's weak, keep attacking him, especially since T5o isn't 23o.

[AA Suited]

stop pushing w/garbage when you think he's going to call. and they should call at 3bb w/any 2.

right now he's at 4.5bb, so PUSH. yeah, you might get unlucky and he has a hand this time, but thats poker.

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sngPT says pushing is +EV even if his range is as loose as <22+,A2s+,A3o+,KTs+,KJo+,QJs>

[Al P]

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sngPT says pushing is +EV even if his range is as loose as <22+,A2s+,A3o+,KTs+,KJo+,QJs>

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As loose as? The guy has no chips, he won't be playing as tight as the range you specify.

[caretaker1]

This is very read dependent; I've seen some players loosen up too much, others staying overtight. I struggle with this issue myself.

[async]

If he calls with his best half of hands, this is a fold. If he's tighter than that, it is a push.

If I'd knocked someone off their hand 4 times running and had T5o in this position, I would fold because I'd frankly expect them to call with any 2.

[Snarf]

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stop pushing w/garbage when you think he's going to call. and they should call at 3bb w/any 2.

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[ellipse_87]

I've decided that this is a definite fold, and it has little to do with the 300 chips up for grabs.

It's dependent more on psychology and the fact that people don't like being made to look like fools.

He's already resentful at the possibility that he's being taken advantage of. His small stack and the bubble call for a push in this hand, and he probably has an inkling of that, even if he's inexperienced at short-handed play. So a fold will be conspicuous, and it accomplishes a few things:

1.) It potentially saves 765 chips since he might have a good hand and is itching to look me up; 2) It confuses him and makes him think that maybe the previous raises were more genuine than he had thought; 3) It lets him draw the psychologically comfortable conclusion that he hasn't been a sucker the past four times but instead prudently saved his tournament existence, and enables him to fold the next time without losing face; and 4) It rehabilitates our table image to some small degree because players will notice and may suspect that I've slowed down.

So, basically, the point has been reached where I can afford to fold for image purposes, even though I think this is normally a spot where one has to be aggressive with the short stack.

[reed62783]

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I've decided that this is a definite fold, and it has little to do with the 300 chips up for grabs.

It's dependent more on psychology and the fact that people don't like being made to look like fools.

He's already resentful at the possibility that he's being taken advantage of. His small stack and the bubble call for a push in this hand, and he probably has an inkling of that, even if he's inexperienced at short-handed play. So a fold will be conspicuous, and it accomplishes a few things:

1.) It potentially saves us 765 chips since he might have a good hand and is itching to look me up; 2) It confuses him and makes him think that maybe the previous raises were more genuine than he had thought; 3) It lets him draw the psychologically comfortable conclusion that he hasn't been a sucker the past four times but instead prudently saved his tournament existence, and enables him to fold the next time without losing face; and 4) It rehabilitates our table image to some small degree because players will notice and may suspect that I've slowed down.

So, basically, the point has been reached where I can afford to fold for image purposes, even though I think this is normally a spot where one has to be aggressive with the short stack.

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agreed...eventually he will call and catch somehting.. preserve image with junk hands....if he calls and wins then u are almost crippled