TPTK on paired flop

[Hair_of_the_Dog]

4/8 B&M game that was fairly TAG and short handed (6 players), but has now filled up with 3 LP players. The TAG players (1 LP/LAG who was a thinking player who switched his play up a lot) saw me as a TAG or maybe a rock. I'm not sure which, but they would get away from me when I would raise. Bluffs finally work at a 4/8 table. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] But now that the calling stations are around, no more bluffs.

Hero in CO with AKo
4 limpers, Hero raises, all call (including BB)

Flop 12sb [ K T T ] two tone that I don't have
Checked to MP (who has been tricky and TAG/LAG to mix it up) who bets
Hero raises
2 callers
MP 3bets
Hero ?

[jesse8888]

You're in big trouble most of the time here. I'd call and re-evaluate on the turn.

Are the cold-callers LPs or tags?

[KenProspero]

If MP has been one of the players who has generally been respecting your raises, you're probably in big trouble.

[Hair_of_the_Dog]

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You're in big trouble most of the time here. I'd call and re-evaluate on the turn.

Are the cold-callers LPs or tags?

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LP called
tricky tag raised
The only thing is that the game has changed from few showdowns to almost every hand is a showdown.

What card are we looking for on the turn another K, A, a 3rd T? What do we do when a good card comes?

[Niediam]

Crappy situation but the standard play is to to call down.

An interesting alternate line is to raise the turn (you are doing this for protection in this big pot... if it were heads up I'd definately just call down) with the intention of folding to a 3bet.

[wizard]

The cold caller should scare you as much as the 3 bet. The position of the caller is important but this board is all in the playing zone so proceed with care if at all. My cold caller read would determine which.
btw - Did you raise btf?

[wizard]

Another K is the only good card for you. An A does not change anything and a T doesn't help except it makes it less likely that you are behind and more likely that you will chop.
[edit] An A actually is a bad card because it completes any QJ straights that may be calling or betting a very aggressive and questionable draw.

[Hair_of_the_Dog]

I did raise pf. There were 2 cold callers. The 1st was in BB (I think) or UTG, he's LP though and is likely to call most pf raises. The other was just to the right the MP tricky 3bet TAG.

[RossSi]

I agree with wiz. K is a great card, A is at best indifferent and as noted completes a OESD so could be awful and a T lessens the likelyhood that the last T is out there but leaves us drawing dead if it is.

This is a way infront - way behind situation if we're heads up but I'm torn between raisng to protect on 4th street (against third party draws) and this being spewy if the K doesn't come and we're against that third T. Anyone?