NLHE:TAP "Concepts" Discussion Post (somewhat long)

[Pokamon4e]

Read concepts No. 24 (page 262) and No. 29 )starting on page 267).

Apart from that I can hardly see a reason to ever laugh at somebody seriously asking a question in a forum.

[jackaaron]

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Read concepts No. 24 (page 262) and No. 29 )starting on page 267).

Apart from that I can hardly see a reason to ever laugh at somebody seriously asking a question in a forum.

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I would love if that's all someone has ever done to me on this forum...lol.

Get over it. Just because I lmao to his min-raising pre-flop suggestion doesn't mean I wouldn't be open to ever doing it. I just think it's silly is all. If you're going to raise to build the pot, you might as well make it more than 2xbb (at least 2.5xbb, and yes, the .5 adds up), or if you're going to raise and hope you gain information by your opponents calling, you should certainly raise more than 2xbb (you're getting called with a wide range, so you gain no real information).
He mentioned building the pot for when you hit. Why not make it 2.5-4xbb? 2xbb raises pre-flop just seem senseless in no limit. This isn't new.

[godofPOPOV]

read THE POKER TOURNAMENT FORMULA from Full Tilt and Chris Ferguson suggests even min raising from EP.

with the theory behind it that if you raise from EP you dont have to raise as much because people should interpret you have strength if you are raising with that many people left to act.

also you can min raise to change up your raise sizes.
maybe you min raise to get action with AA or KK or QQ when your on the button and only a couple people are left to act.

maybe you dont want hands to fold but you want a bigger pot.

maybe your changing up your play


i think there are many valid reasons for min raising.
and 2.5xBB is hardly anything but a min raise, so advocating that and thinking 2xBB is foolish is ridiculous.


so laugh away at it but there are many valid reasons for raising 2xBB.

(FYI)

[jackaaron]

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read THE POKER TOURNAMENT FORMULA from Full Tilt and Chris Ferguson suggests even min raising from EP.

with the theory behind it that if you raise from EP you dont have to raise as much because people should interpret you have strength if you are raising with that many people left to act.

also you can min raise to change up your raise sizes.
maybe you min raise to get action with AA or KK or QQ when your on the button and only a couple people are left to act.

maybe you dont want hands to fold but you want a bigger pot.

maybe your changing up your play


i think there are many valid reasons for min raising.
and 2.5xBB is hardly anything but a min raise, so advocating that and thinking 2xBB is foolish is ridiculous.


so laugh away at it but there are many valid reasons for raising 2xBB.

(FYI)

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I disagree about the 2.5. It adds up if you're small balling the crap out of people. And, at many weak/tight tables, it does just that.

Going by what you said, I would much rather min raise with trash because the BB is calling with a really wide range, and check/folding when he doesn't hit.

I guess I've just stacked so many bad players who do this, that I can't believe someone would advocate it. I would never call their standard raises, and stacked them, but when they make it this cheap, I most certainly will get involved.

[Pokamon4e]

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I would love if that's all someone has ever done to me on this forum...lol.

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That's why I rarely write in this forum. But I think I'm over it now. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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I just think it's silly is all. If you're going to raise to build the pot, you might as well make it more than 2xbb (at least 2.5xbb, and yes, the .5 adds up), or if you're going to raise and hope you gain information by your opponents calling, you should certainly raise more than 2xbb (you're getting called with a wide range, so you gain no real information).
He mentioned building the pot for when you hit. Why not make it 2.5-4xbb? 2xbb raises pre-flop just seem senseless in no limit. This isn't new.

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To finally contribute something to the topic: I don't usually min-raise either, but I play short-handed most of the time. Sometimes I like to min-raise on heads-up tables for deception purposes, but that's about all.

Personally I think that a 3bb raise sweetens the pot, too. But in addition to that you get more fold equity preflop and a bigger pot to take down with a c-bet.