NL50 (cap): 32 flops the idiot end

AKQJ10 · #1 01-12-2007, 02:16 AM

Another one from my NL50 cap experiment:

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $25
CO: $42.50
Button: $61.85
SB: $27.20
Hero: $17.45

 NOTE: All are $15 effective stacks.

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG (poster) checks, 2 folds, SB calls, Hero (poster) checks.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($1.5, 3 players)
SB bets $0.5, Hero raises to $2.5, UTG raises to $4.5, SB folds, Hero ???

Rollos · #2 01-12-2007, 02:29 AM

Raise. Am I missing something?

Nick C · #3 01-12-2007, 02:31 AM

Interesting. 66/55/44 is 9 combos, 65s/54s is 4 combos, 77 is 6 combos, and 87s is 4 combos.

I'm not claiming that's Villain's exact range, but although you do have the worst of the outs (obviously, since you can't improve), I'm thinking you'll have the best hand often enough to make a push the play.

bigscore · #4 01-12-2007, 02:31 AM

cap it

Paul Thomson · #5 01-12-2007, 02:42 AM

you more or less have to push here. he's reraising with a wide range and villains usually slow play the nuts on a dry board especially when there's been alot of aggression before them. This looks like a draw trying to push you off your hand or get a free turn card.

AKQJ10 · #6 01-12-2007, 02:57 AM

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Raise. Am I missing something?

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Nope. I agree, and pushed (for the $15 cap) at the table. I'm just being results-oriented and getting a sanity check:

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($1.5, 3 players)
SB bets $0.5, Hero raises to $2.5, UTG raises to $4.5, SB folds, Hero raises to $17, UTG calls.

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($36, 2 players)

River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($36, 2 players)

Results:
Final pot: $36
Hero showed 2d 3c
UTG showed 3d 7c

By three-tabling I missed the critical detail of the UTG posting an extra blind. I don't know that it changes my decision to consider 73 part of his range.

I know the bottom end of the straight has a bad reputation (hence my subject line) but idiots usually draw to the bottom end, not play it fast when they flop it. Or at least that's what we donks tell ourselves to rationalize. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

It's essential to play it fast here because any 7 has seven outs, any 8 has four, a set has 7 on the flop and 10 on the turn, etc. Given the likelihood of those inferior hands who would call my push, I think I just got unlucky.

Nick C · #7 01-12-2007, 03:08 AM

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By three-tabling I missed the critical detail of the UTG posting an extra blind. I don't know that it changes my decision to consider 73 part of his range.

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Christ, I missed that too. Aren't 87o and 73o now fully part of his range? 87 and 73 are 28 combos if they can't be discounted.

This flop decision in this hand now seems closer to me. (It may still be correct, though. I thought it was easy before.)

As some compensation for having to consider 87o and 73o as undiscounted possibilities, though, we can now also do the same for 65/54/64 (27 combos). And it's not as if the pot is empty or anything.

Yeah, I think pushing is best.

blackize · #8 01-12-2007, 03:09 AM

It's cap. Stacks aren't deep enough to ever fold this.

AKQJ10 · #9 01-12-2007, 04:21 AM

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Hero raises to $17, UTG calls.

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BTW, I'm not sure if Neil Dewhurst's converter is unhappy about the $15 cap or what, but obviously I can't reraise to $17 in a cap game. I reraised to the cap to make it $14.50 to go on the turn.