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KK when an ace flops and I get bet into
I’m new to the table, and I get to pick a seat where the two players to my immediate left are weak-tight, and the 2nd and 3rd player on my right are fishy. YAAAAAY!
Rest of the table, however, are unknowns (this includes MP3). First hand in, I just posted in the CO, and I get dealt cowboys! LOTERIA! My eyes turn into $-signs… [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] Action goes: Preflop: hero is in the CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="red">MP3 raises</font>, <font color="red">Hero 3-bets</font>, 5 folds, <font color="red">MP3 caps</font>, Hero calls. Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="red">MP3 bets</font>, <font color="red">Hero ?????</font> The dreaded ace fell and I get bet into by the unknown that capped preflop… Should I fear his pocket aces, or his AK, or should I be value-raising his KK or QQ or whatever else he decided to cap with? I can think of several good reasons why folding is good, why calling all the way to showdown is good, and why raising is good… But what’s the standard line in a situation like this? The WA/WB approach? |
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Re: KK when an ace flops and I get bet into
what stakes, what site?
[ QUOTE ] I can think of several good reasons why folding is good [/ QUOTE ] well your getting about 15.5:1 less rake (if i can add correctly) so do you still like your reasons v ur range? dont flop the flop. i raise. this is QQ/JJ often enough to be profitable. |
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Re: KK when an ace flops and I get bet into
I'd probably call down. There are 3 combos of AA remaining and 12 combos of AK remaining (15 combos you lose to). There are 6 combos of QQ and 6 combos of JJ (12 combos you win to). There's only 1 combo of KK remaining for the chop.
Thus, EV of calling down is 12/28 * 6.25 - 15/28 * 4.5 + 1/28 * 0 = 0.27 BB [Well, technically, it would be 0.27 BB - 13/28 * rake] EV of folding is -2 BB (the money we've already invested) So, it looks like this hand is worth calling down... (Someone more math-inclined than me, feel free to correct any errors in my math [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]) EDIT: Above calculation does not take into account the possibility of our set outs or our remote possibility of a BDSD, nor does it take into account villain's odds of improving. I also am not taking into account the possibility of villain being a lunatic and capping with 22 or some other nonsense. EDIT AGAIN: Forgot to include blinds in original calculation. EV of calling down is positive once I've included them. |
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Re: KK when an ace flops and I get bet into
neuro, honestly I need more info to come up with a hand range.....AK, AA-JJ is too narrow for unknown at typical micro stakes IMO unless this is some nitty crypto 1/2 game or something.
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Re: KK when an ace flops and I get bet into
Sorry about omitting the limit, it was .50/1.00 at PokerRoom (where all the tighties are, apparently, good table selection is hell there)...
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Re: KK when an ace flops and I get bet into
Personally in this situation I go into calldown-mode.
But if I'd raise the flop and get re-raised, what then? Do I fold or do I still call down? And what if I raise, he calls and then donks the turn (given that's a rag)? |
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Re: KK when an ace flops and I get bet into
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neuro, honestly I need more info to come up with a hand range.....AK, AA-JJ is too narrow for unknown at typical micro stakes IMO unless this is some nitty crypto 1/2 game or something. [/ QUOTE ] A wider range is probably bad for us since the first hands going in will be TT, AQs, AJs. Of course a very wide range would be better. I don't get raising. I can't see a range we are +equity against. We risk losing QQ-JJ. If he 3-bets we should probably fold somewhere but it's risky against an unknown in a big pot. |
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Re: KK when an ace flops and I get bet into
nuero is a beast
keep calcin man hurt thread, have to rip bong again cuz of it |
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Re: KK when an ace flops and I get bet into
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EV of folding is -2 BB (the money we've already invested) [/ QUOTE ] Actually, I think it's nil. Position is an advantage here. Call down. Only hands that will fold to a flop raise are the ones you don’t want to. |
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Re: KK when an ace flops and I get bet into
Suppose his range is JJ+, AK. Let's say we iclude only 3*JJ (since most people don't cap it). Ur equity is still 47.3%. Therefor folding is out of the question. Raising sucks in general here. Only exception would be if we knew villain only 3-bet >Ax AND he called down QQ-JJ. The best line by far agaisnt unknown/normal player is to call down IMO.
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