KK - Bad bet? / good laydown?

Riddick · #1 09-13-2006, 12:55 AM

Button (the villain) is 50/9 over 219 logged hands.

Question: After both Button and BB call my flop bet, is it best for me to put at least one of them on a definite 4 and simply give up on the turn?

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
5 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $47.75
Hero: $48.50
Button: $114.47
SB: $37.85
BB: $48.25

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, Hero raises to $2, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($8, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $7, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($29, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $20, Button raises to $40, BB folds, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $20 returned to Button.

Results:
Final pot: $69

lacrymosa · #2 09-13-2006, 01:03 AM

I think you played the hand fine

KEW · #3 09-13-2006, 01:13 AM

Getting 4.5 to 1 I think you have to call here..Villain will have 77-QQ here enough to be profitable..IMO villain will next to never have a 4 here(unless it is 44) and if 44 he would most likely only call and let you put your last $19 in on the river...

Riddick · #4 09-13-2006, 01:27 AM

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Getting 4.5 to 1 I think you have to call here..Villain will have 77-QQ here enough to be profitable..IMO villain will next to never have a 4 here(unless it is 44) and if 44 he would most likely only call and let you put your last $19 in on the river...

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What about the lead bet itself? At that point I have $41 in front and I'm covered going into 2 opponents.

mother_brain · #5 09-13-2006, 01:32 AM

I think its a good fold. Whats his W$@SD and W2SD?

KEW · #6 09-13-2006, 01:32 AM

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Getting 4.5 to 1 I think you have to call here..Villain will have 77-QQ here enough to be profitable..IMO villain will next to never have a 4 here(unless it is 44) and if 44 he would most likely only call and let you put your last $19 in on the river...

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What about the lead bet itself? At that point I have $41 in front and I'm covered going into 2 opponents.

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I lead as well..Stacks are to short to get away from this should we be beat..With a deeper stack you may be able to fold to a turn raise based on villain..

gimmetheloot · #7 09-13-2006, 01:42 AM

c/c down if you are planning to try and b/f this. You dont have enough behind to do this.

Riddick · #8 09-13-2006, 01:51 AM

Similarly played out hand but different board features (plus its a checkraise), but here the villain is 15/9 after 400 logged hands.

Thanks for all the input.

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $62.80
Hero: $49.75
CO: $51.40
Button: $82.90
SB: $45
BB: $29.85

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls, Hero raises to $2.25, CO calls, 3 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($7.5, 3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $5, CO folds, UTG calls.

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($17.5, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $12, UTG raises to $24, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $12 returned to UTG.

Results:
Final pot: $41.5

Riddick · #9 09-13-2006, 01:53 AM

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I think its a good fold. Whats his W$@SD and W2SD?

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Villain is actually 59 vpip.

W$@SD = 53%
W to SD = 24%

KEW · #10 09-13-2006, 01:53 AM

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Similarly played out hand but different board features (plus its a checkraise), but here the villain is 15/9 after 400 logged hands.

Thanks for all the input.

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $62.80
Hero: $49.75
CO: $51.40
Button: $82.90
SB: $45
BB: $29.85

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls, Hero raises to $2.25, CO calls, 3 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($7.5, 3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $5, CO folds, UTG calls.

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($17.5, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $12, UTG raises to $24, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $12 returned to UTG.

Results:
Final pot: $41.5

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Here I would say a fold is standard..