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11-19-2007, 08:31 PM
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Re: Joe Horn?
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[ QUOTE ] You sure elwood? I'm thought you can shoot anyone that is trespassing, no? [/ QUOTE ] I would HIGHLY doubt it. Regardless, I wasn't answering for what the law is, I was answering for what it should be. [/ QUOTE ] Really? You dont think I should be able to use whatever force is necessary to stop someone from robbing me? Is that like just if he is taking the good silver, or no matter what material goods he is after? Am I allowed to maim him, just not kill him? 
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#52
11-19-2007, 08:41 PM
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Re: Joe Horn?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] You sure elwood? I'm thought you can shoot anyone that is trespassing, no? [/ QUOTE ] I would HIGHLY doubt it. Regardless, I wasn't answering for what the law is, I was answering for what it should be. [/ QUOTE ] Really? You dont think I should be able to use whatever force is necessary to stop someone from robbing me? Is that like just if he is taking the good silver, or no matter what material goods he is after? Am I allowed to maim him, just not kill him? [/ QUOTE ] It's really the Wild West around here. No you shouldn't be able to kill someone to stop them from robbing you. Obviously it's hard to put a price on human life, but surely it has to be more than your wallet or your tv set. Of course, if someone's robbing you with more than his fists, you should be able to defend your safety, but that's a little different.
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#54
11-19-2007, 10:06 PM
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Re: Joe Horn?
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[ QUOTE ] Posts: 5000 [/ QUOTE ] Make post 10000 about stripper and blow milestone binge plz kthx [/ QUOTE ] How's that avatar working out for you?
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#55
11-19-2007, 10:09 PM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Posts: 5000 [/ QUOTE ] Make post 10000 about stripper and blow milestone binge plz kthx [/ QUOTE ] How's that avatar working out for you? [/ QUOTE ] Interested as well
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#57
11-19-2007, 11:25 PM
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Re: Joe Horn?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Posts: 5000 [/ QUOTE ] Make post 10000 about stripper and blow milestone binge plz kthx [/ QUOTE ] How's that avatar working out for you? [/ QUOTE ] Interested as well [/ QUOTE ] Just wait until Miles shows up, then the long national nightmare of sweater vest domination will be over. Ask pvn and TomCollins, they'll confirm.
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#58
11-19-2007, 11:34 PM
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Re: Joe Horn?
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2nd/3rd Degree Murder. Life in prison x 2. [/ QUOTE ] The thing is, if they're going to charge him with murder, they can probably make a case it was premeditated since he apparently told the dispatcher he was going to kill the guys, and spent a couple of minutes chatting it up with the dispatcher, listening to the dispatcher's spiel about not going outside of his house to shoot the guys (ie, Horn had plenty of time to reconsider, and a rational guy in his ear telling him not to do it)...and then he went out and shot the guys anyway with the stated intent of killing them. Sounds like premeditated murder to me. I suspect it's going to be hard to charge this guy with anything serious given the circumstances and the probable outcry of public support the guy will receive, but if this scenario played out exactly the same way, except in California (instead of Sugarland Texas) and the guy shot a couple of white suburban teenagers (instead of some brown guys), I feel confident saying he'd probably be facing a couple of first degree murder charges.
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#59
11-19-2007, 11:53 PM
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Re: Joe Horn?
I don't know all that much about law, but give the definition from wikipedia this does not seem like premeditated murder at all:
"Premeditated murder is the crime of wrongfully causing the death of another human being (also known as murder) after rationally considering the timing or method of doing so, in order to either increase the likelihood of success, or to evade detection or apprehension." I don't know the specific definitions of 2nd/3rd degree murders and manslaughters, but one of them has to fit the description of what horn did better than premeditated murder. Especially given the last part of the definition. I agree with your 2nd paragraph.
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