like i said in previous post, i dont fold KK

[bilbo-san]

Shove river WTF.

Check/call = terrible. Let him check down 99+ and [censored] like 87 and bet flushes. Brilliant.

Bet $40 = terrible. Let him shove flushes and his calling range for $40 is identical to his calling range for $67, or close enough that the EV of shoving is clearly higher. Again, brillaint.

[Kala1928]

AF 0 can surely have any twopair or any set or any pocket pair on any street. Just valuetown river, bet more on flop/turn.

[spivey]

The idea that anyone would c/f this river is just baffling.

[bilbo-san]

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The idea that anyone would c/f this river is just baffling.

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I agree that checking the river is bad, but c/f is a better line than c/call. Of course, pushing is better than either.

[rakk]

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Shove river WTF.

Check/call = terrible. Let him check down 99+ and [censored] like 87 and bet flushes. Brilliant.

Bet $40 = terrible. Let him shove flushes and his calling range for $40 is identical to his calling range for $67, or close enough that the EV of shoving is clearly higher. Again, brillaint.

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This is a really good post.

[ChoicestHops]

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Shove river WTF.

Check/call = terrible. Let him check down 99+ and [censored] like 87 and bet flushes. Brilliant.

Bet $40 = terrible. Let him shove flushes and his calling range for $40 is identical to his calling range for $67, or close enough that the EV of shoving is clearly higher. Again, brillaint.

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Well said. I don't have numbers, but it seems it's an easy push and the best way to maximize EV. I don't even really think about it at the table I don't think.